Remembrance Sunday

[MrGongGong]

You can't blame me for being a little bit surprised that as a person who knows a great deal about education from personal involvement, somehow, the goings on in Birmingham schools is a mystery to you, other than what you've read in the press. You can't expect me to believe that you are that professionally isolated, can you?

I've done MUSIC in some of those schools
erm surely that's not allowed ?

What one reads in the press and what actually happens might be very different
Or it might be close
BUT all we REALLY know is that we DON'T know

[Beef Oven!]

and here we are in the doghouse again chums
was it my "alien" music ?

Well, perhaps not your alien music, but your (and other) deliberate attempts to derail anything vaguely patriotic or British, have worked to get us here.

Although I do understand people who have not done well under the present system and are not big stakeholders in life, will not be as positive about things like Remembrance Sunday, but spitefulness doesn't really achieve anything.

People with low self-esteem, and who feel life has given them less, should spurn the temptation of spite, and take a more positive course in life.

[Beef Oven!]

I've done MUSIC in some of those schools
erm surely that's not allowed ?

What one reads in the press and what actually happens might be very different
Or it might be close
BUT all we REALLY know is that we DON'T know

That's a total fucking cop-out.

[MrGongGong]

Well, perhaps not your alien music, but your (and other) deliberate attempts to derail anything vaguely patriotic or British, have worked to get us here.

Don't be an arse
When I hear that music I feel more connected to "my" culture than anything by Elgar

What's with the "low self-esteem" shite ?


There is much joy in the world and a lot comes from Nusrat

[MrGongGong]

That's a total fucking cop-out.

Experience ?
Nah
Lets go with the Daily Mail shite

[Beef Oven!]

What's with the "low self-esteem" shite ?

Come on, you can open up a bit down here - less people looking.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Come on, you can open up a bit down here - less people looking.

Fewer.

[Beef Oven!]

Fewer.

You're still here then?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

You can't blame me for being a little bit surprised that as a person who knows a great deal about education from personal involvement, somehow, the goings on in Birmingham schools is a mystery to you, other than what you've read in the press. You can't expect me to believe that you are that professionally isolated, can you?

I haven't taught in Birmingham myself, so I don't comment on it.

And please don't use the F-word, even here.

[Beef Oven!]

I haven't taught in Birmingham myself, so I don't comment on it.

That's a total bloody cop-out.

[french frank]

Reported post - I won't bother to delete it, but the thread has become useless. Basement.

Oh, it's already in the basement. In that case ... it may go to diversions. What a load of rubbish.

[MrGongGong]

Reported post - I won't bother to delete it, but the thread has become useless. Basement.

Oh, it's already in the basement. In that case ... it may go to diversions. What a load of rubbish.

Aaaaaah the voice of reason

[Flosshilde]

And you are very vocal about all things to do with education, but I do not recall a single word from you on the so called Trojan Horse affair.

Trojan Horse plot? What Trojan Horse plot? -

18 July
Birmingham City Council releases key findings from its inquiry into 25 schools.
Written by Ian Kershaw, it finds no evidence of violent extremism, radicalisation or an anti-British agenda being promoted. However, it does warn of governance problems in some schools.
22 July
Peter Clarke's report for the DfE is officially released.
Mr Clarke said his inquiry found no evidence of extremism but "there are a number of people in a position of influence who either espouse, or sympathise with or fail to challenge extremist views".
from http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ngham-28370552

The famous anonymous letter which set it all in motion is probably in the same category as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and the Zinoviev Letter.

Meanwhile extremist Christian schools are allowed to carry on without investigation.

[Beef Oven!]

Trojan Horse plot? What Trojan Horse plot? -

18 July
Birmingham City Council releases key findings from its inquiry into 25 schools.
Written by Ian Kershaw, it finds no evidence of violent extremism, radicalisation or an anti-British agenda being promoted. However, it does warn of governance problems in some schools.
22 July
Peter Clarke's report for the DfE is officially released.
Mr Clarke said his inquiry found no evidence of extremism but "there are a number of people in a position of influence who either espouse, or sympathise with or fail to challenge extremist views".
from http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ngham-28370552

The famous anonymous letter which set it all in motion is probably in the same category as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and the Zinoviev Letter.

Meanwhile extremist Christian schools are allowed to carry on without investigation.

The report found

"......disturbing" evidence that people with a "shared ideology" were trying to gain control of governing bodies in Birmingham...."

"...... sustained and co-ordinated agenda to impose upon children in a number of Birmingham schools the segregationist attitudes and practices of a hardline and politicised strain of Sunni Islam".

"......co-ordinated, deliberate and sustained action to introduce an intolerant and aggressive Islamist ethos into some schools in the city".

The agenda would have confined....... "schoolchildren within an intolerant, inward-looking monoculture that would severely inhibit their participation in the life of modern Britain".

All of this in a non-faith state school.

My point was that whilst people go bananas about Gove, they remain silent on these matters.

[MrGongGong]

My point was that whilst people go bananas about Gove, they remain silent on these matters.

To quote you
maybe it's a "side issue"
You know, not important
You know, like having the Royal Family
having Remembrance day turned into a military celebration of killing

You are "over thinking"

People aren't "silent on these things" at all

How is this

"schoolchildren within an intolerant, inward-looking monoculture that would severely inhibit their participation in the life of modern Britain"

different from what happens in Catholic schools ?

Secular education would be a start
BUT with dicks like Gove (and his moronic successor) there's no chance of that