Remembrance Sunday

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Remembrance Sunday has been hijacked by militaristic propagandists. When Sunday church services invite members of the forces in with their guns (probably not loaded), is it surprising to hear a child ask: "Are they going to kill someone?"
In the immediate future, the answer is surely, "no", but in the long term - well, they are trained killers.

[MrGongGong]

Remembrance Sunday has been hijacked by militaristic propagandists. When Sunday church services invite members of the forces in with their guns (probably not loaded), is it surprising to hear a child ask: "Are they going to kill someone?"
In the immediate future, the answer is surely, "no", but in the long term - well, they are trained killers.

Sad but true
and those who implore us to stop "thinking" too much really should wake up !

The church should be fundamentally at odds with this insult to the memory of those who died in WW1 (I just remembered one of the main reasons why I left it)

[MrGongGong]

More masochism. Cowardly look the other way.

You been on the funny pills again?

[Beef Oven!]

You been on the funny pills again?

No. The late great Christopher Hitchens described people who get exorcised about the things that you get exercised about, while running away from the obvious external or non-host culture phenomena, as capitulators who engage in a strange form of masochism.

An example would be where people go ape-shit about Gove and his policies, but are totally silent on things like the so called Trojan Horse Plot. It does sound a bit like you, you must admit. He also describes the complete paralysis that occurs when people are gripped with fear and cannot criticise anything vaguely 'Islamic' as a form of cowardice. I'd throw cowardice in myself, anyway.

I do hope that clears it up a bit.

[amateur51]

Remembrance Sunday has been hijacked by militaristic propagandists. When Sunday church services invite members of the forces in with their guns (probably not loaded), is it surprising to hear a child ask: "Are they going to kill someone?"
In the immediate future, the answer is surely, "no", but in the long term - well, they are trained killers.

Professional trained killers these days, unlike the poor volunteers and conscripts of WWI and WWII.

[amateur51]

No. The late great Christopher Hitchens described people who get exorcised about the things that you get exercised about, while running away from the obvious external or non-host culture phenomena, as capitulators who engage in a strange form of masochism.

An example would be where people go ape-shit about Gove and his policies, but are totally silent on things like the so called Trojan Horse Plot. It does sound a bit like you, you must admit. He also describes the complete paralysis that occurs when people are gripped with fear and cannot criticise anything vaguely Islamic as a form of cowardice. I'd throw cowardice in myself, anyway.

Whose title was that, I wonder?

Did you see what BO did there? He excised some of his original reply.

What does 'anything vaguely Islamic' mean, I wonder?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

An example would be where people go ape-shit about Gove and his policies, but are totally silent on things like the so called Trojan Horse Plot.

G*** is a member of the government, behaving irresponsibly and utterly selfishly. The Trojan Horse affair was roundly condemned by the media, but G*** is actually supported by many dark-ages national newspapers.

[John Wright]

Oh did I divert the topic?

Let's get back on topic,

Thankful Villages

Some places in England saw their young men go off to war, and unusually, given the scale of the tragedy and loss of so many thousands of lives throughout the United Kingdom, all the men from that locality did return safely. These such places became known as “Thankful Villages”, a term coined by the writer and journalist Arthur Mee (1875-1943).

There are 52 civil parishes in England and Wales known to have all their men returned. There was not one “Thankful Village” in Scotland or Ireland (part of the United Kingdom at that time) where all the serving men returned.

Of the 52 “Thankful Villages” 14 of them became known as “Doubly Thankful Villages”, because all their men serving in the Second World War also returned home.
Some public war memorials, therefore, do not necessarily commemorate those who died in the Great War, but they commemorate those from the locality who served and who did return.

See below for a link to a comprehensive article about the topic of Thankful Villages.

http://www.greatwar.co.uk/memorials/ww1-memorials-united-kingdom.htm

[MrGongGong]

What does 'anything vaguely Islamic' mean, I wonder?

The famous dwarf ?
I always think of the wonderful Sufi musician I used to work with when people go on about Islam
or this ?

that's what I call

non-host culture phenomena

and YOU love it
don't tell me you don't
because I am the daddy of your musical life

[Beef Oven!]

G*** is a member of the government, behaving irresponsibly and utterly selfishly. The Trojan Horse affair was roundly condemned by the media, but G*** is actually supported by many dark-ages national newspapers.

And you are very vocal about all things to do with education, but I do not recall a single word from you on the so called Trojan Horse affair.

[amateur51]

And you are very vocal about all things to do with education, but I do not recall a single word from you on the so called Trojan Horse affair.

An advanced search of 'Trojan Horse' and ' Beef Oven!' reveals that the only instance is in this thread.

Perhaps BO can tell us where he set a fine example of speaking out against Trojan Horse?

Otherwise it's a case of pot and kettle, Miss Sharp!

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

And you are very vocal about all things to do with education, but I do not recall a single word from you on the so called Trojan Horse affair.

That's true. I know a great deal about education from personal involvement (unlike M G***) but I don't know anything about the Trojan Horse affair other what the press have reported - hardly reliable or impartial. If I don't know about something, I consider it better to listen rather than to speak.

[Beef Oven!]

that's what I call

and YOU love it
don't tell me you don't
because I am the daddy of your musical life

Yes I do love it, it's chuffing brilliant.

I concede, no - freely admit, that I have learnt more about music, and what music means to me in the last two years because of you, than I have done in the last 40 years hitherto - BUT, you are still a masochistic capitulator!!!!

(why do my heroes always have clay feet?!)

[MrGongGong]

and here we are in the doghouse again chums
was it my "alien" music ?

[Beef Oven!]

That's true. I know a great deal about education from personal involvement (unlike M G***) but I don't know anything about the Trojan Horse affair other what the press have reported - hardly reliable or impartial. If I don't know about something, I consider it better to listen rather than to speak.

You can't blame me for being a little bit surprised that as a person who knows a great deal about education from personal involvement, somehow, the goings on in Birmingham schools is a mystery to you, other than what you've read in the press. You can't expect me to believe that you are that professionally isolated, can you?