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  • Beef Oven!
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    • Sep 2013
    • 18147

    #31
    Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post
    I've heard this, too, but it isn't really borne out by Wikipedia's account of the signing of the armistice - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armisti...ompi%C3%A8gne)

    (which also says that peace wasn't ratified until January 1920 - so there could be an even longer centenary commemoration than Pabs suggests)
    But MrGG has been informed personally by an expert, so let's avoid speculation and wait for MrGG to come back to us.

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    • Don Petter

      #32
      Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
      Wasn't the announcement of the news of the conquering of Everest delayed by a day or so in order that it should coincide with Queen Elizabeth II's coronation?
      Better than Canute, she could move mountains?

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      • MrGongGong
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        • Nov 2010
        • 18357

        #33
        Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
        But MrGG has been informed personally by an expert, so let's avoid speculation and wait for MrGG to come back to us.
        Some experts are youngsters

        Wiki (from Floss) says this

        Many artillery units continued to fire on German targets to avoid having to haul away their spare ammunition. The Allies also wished to ensure that, should fighting restart, they would be in the most favourable position. Consequently there were 10,944 casualties of which 2,738 men died on the last day of the war.[19]

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        • Beef Oven!
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          • Sep 2013
          • 18147

          #34
          Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
          Some experts are youngsters
          So you were fibbing?

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          • BBMmk2
            Late Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 20908

            #35
            Originally posted by Caliban View Post
            To restore the tone slightly ... I had a quiet moment or five with Howells's 'Take him, earth, for cherishing' earlier to mark the day.

            Now: Finzi's 'Requiem Da Camera'






            "August 1914" - John Masefleld (Requiem da Camera, movement 2)


            How still this quiet cornfield is to-night!
            By an intenser glow the evening falls,
            Bringing, not darkness, but a deeper light;
            Among the stooks a partridge covey calls.

            The windows glitter on the distant hill;
            Beyond the hedge the sheep-bells in the fold
            Stumble on sudden music and are still;
            The forlorn pinewoods droop above the wold.

            An endless quiet valley reaches out
            Pat the blue hills into the evening sky;
            Over the stubble, cawing, goes a rout
            Of rooks from harvest, flagging as they fly.

            So beautiful it is, I never saw
            So great a beauty on these English fields,
            Touched by twilight's coming into awe,
            Ripe to the soul and rich with summer's yields.

            [ ... ]

            These homes, this valley spread below me here,
            The rooks, the tilted stacks, the beasts in pen,
            Have been the heartfelt things, past-speaking dear
            To unknown generations of dead men,

            Who, century after century, held these farms,
            And, looking out to watch the changing sky,
            Heard, as we hear, the rumours and alarms
            Of war at hand and danger pressing nigh.

            And knew, as we know, that the message meant
            The breaking off of ties, the loss of friends,
            Death, like a miser getting in his rent,
            And no new stones laid where the trackway ends.

            [ ... ]

            Yet heard the news, and went discouraged home,
            And brooded by the fire with heavy mind,
            With such dumb loving of the Berkshire loam
            As breaks the dumb hearts of the English kind.


            "Lament" - Wilfrid Wilson Gibson (1918) (Requiem da Camera, movement 4)

            We who are left, how shall we look again
            Happily on the sun or feel the rain
            Without remembering how they who went
            Ungrudgingly and spent
            Their lives for us loved, too, the sun and rain?

            A bird among the rain-wet lilac sings -
            But we, how shall we turn to little things
            And listen to the birds and winds and streams
            Made holy by their dreams,
            Nor feel the heart-break in the heart of things?

            .


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            .
            Cali, have you bought that Naxos cd, called, "Flowers in the Field".

            A busy day for me, always.
            Don’t cry for me
            I go where music was born

            J S Bach 1685-1750

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            • Nick Armstrong
              Host
              • Nov 2010
              • 26523

              #36
              Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
              Cali, have you bought that Naxos cd, called, "Flowers in the Field".
              Some tracks from it, Bbm, yes - the Finzi and the Gurney
              "...the isle is full of noises,
              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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              • MrGongGong
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                • Nov 2010
                • 18357

                #37
                Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                So you were fibbing?
                No, the expert in question is 19
                and has read more books on WW1 than I knew existed
                (no relation either )

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                • Alain Maréchal
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 1286

                  #38
                  I see from the televised news that ceremonies were held in the UK today as well as last Sunday. Would it be a good idea for the UK to declare 11th November as a Public Holiday and have all the ceremonies on the one more appropriate day?

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                  • MrGongGong
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 18357

                    #39
                    The piper had not finished his lament yesterday when the dragon's roar of London's traffic drowned out the unofficial Cenotaph service for those shot at dawn.

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                    • amateur51

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Alain Maréchal View Post
                      I see from the televised news that ceremonies were held in the UK today as well as last Sunday. Would it be a good idea for the UK to declare 11th November as a Public Holiday and have all the ceremonies on the one more appropriate day?
                      Oh yes please!

                      As one who was forced to observe two minutes of silence in the bank today I'd be glad to be able to take advantage of Eurostar offers to get somewhere else.

                      It's the near-compulsory nature of it all that annoys and repels me.

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                      • visualnickmos
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 3609

                        #41
                        Yes - a public holiday on 11 November would make sense, and all related ceremonials could be scheduled for that day, thus giving those who wish to partake, the opportunity to do so, and for those who do not, a day off. Let's face it; Britain has more or less one of the lowest number of public holidays, as well as one of the lowest annual holiday entitlements, of any of it's peer group nations.

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                        • Alain Maréchal
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                          • Dec 2010
                          • 1286

                          #42
                          Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                          I'd be glad to be able to take advantage of Eurostar offers to get somewhere else.
                          As long as you remember that the two countries to which Eurostar travels would both be having a Public Holiday.

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                          • Petrushka
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 12239

                            #43
                            Originally posted by visualnickmos View Post
                            Yes - a public holiday on 11 November would make sense, and all related ceremonials could be scheduled for that day, thus giving those who wish to partake, the opportunity to do so, and for those who do not, a day off. Let's face it; Britain has more or less one of the lowest number of public holidays, as well as one of the lowest annual holiday entitlements, of any of it's peer group nations.
                            Armistice Day (as it was) was always commemorated on November 11 alone at one time and I'd agree that we should return to this date which should be the single focus of the commemoration of the war dead. As things are at present there seem to be several lots of two minute silences at this time of year (eg Saturday football, Remembrance Sunday and Nov 11) so it would make sense to bring it all together, as it once was, on November 11. Should this date happen to fall on a Saturday or Sunday, however, people will be done out of a day's holiday!
                            Last edited by Petrushka; 11-11-14, 22:39.
                            "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                            • ahinton
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 16122

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Alain Maréchal View Post
                              I see from the televised news that ceremonies were held in the UK today as well as last Sunday. Would it be a good idea for the UK to declare 11th November as a Public Holiday and have all the ceremonies on the one more appropriate day?
                              In my view, yes, undoubtedly. The sheer embarrassment of what happened and the continuing commemoration of it - as long as it is properly recognised for what it is - shuld indeed determine that the day of commemoration should be 11/11. I don't know about a public holiday, but 11/11 it should be, for sure.

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                              • Beef Oven!
                                Ex-member
                                • Sep 2013
                                • 18147

                                #45
                                A great day, befitting the centenary. Harry Hayes is a star for a day!

                                The last ceramic poppy is laid at the Tower of London, one of many Armistice Day events to remember servicemen and servicewomen who have died in conflicts.



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