Who Killed Classical Music?
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Originally posted by Boilk View PostDetractors of atonality might well argue that the rise of atonality per se was a direct symptom of serialism, which makes Schoenberg and the 2VS an all-too-easy target.
"The rise of atonality per se was a direct symptom of serialism".
"The rise .... of atonality per se ... was a direct symptom ... of seialism".
Nope - still can't make head nor tail of it.[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostYer wot?
"The rise of atonality per se was a direct symptom of serialism".
"The rise .... of atonality per se ... was a direct symptom ... of seialism".
Nope - still can't make head nor tail of it.
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"a direct symptom".
"atonality" "was a" "symptom" of "serialism"
Well, can't be that because it's "the rise" of atonality.
"Symptom" = "a sign of the existence of a condition".
So (possibly) "The rise of atonality per se was a direct sign of the existence of Serialism"
Or (perhaps)
"Serialism was a direct sign of the existence of the rise of atonality per se"
I wish these detractors would express what they meant more clearly![FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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Originally posted by MrGongGong View Postwhat people find 'difficult' is NOT the tonality or lack of conventional 'melody' in music but rather the lack of continuum .... If one takes a piece of rhythmic and tonal music and then randomises the pitches people are more than happy to listen and enjoy it.
I suspect if you put a rhythm track underneath electronic music by Francis Dhomont or Milton Babbitt, you'd find a whole new audience willing to part with its money. Come to think of it, whenever I've introduced people to Morton Subotnick's Silver Apples of the Moon (1967), they've tended to immediately warm to part 2's "dance" section, but have been left stone cold by the relative rhythmlessness of the rest of the piece. Small wonder that more people like Philip Glass than Morton Feldman!
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Originally posted by Boilk View PostI suspect if you put a rhythm track underneath ... music by ... Milton Babbitt, you'd find a whole new audience willing to part with its money.Mobtown Modern: Hard as F#@!Contemporary Museum, Baltimore, MDDecember 15, 2008(featuring video by Guy Werner)
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Richard Barrett
Whether it's true or not that there's something about modern music that makes it inaccessible to all but an educationally privileged few (and my experience is that this is not true), there's still no excuse for the kind of sloppy writing that fills the BBC's blurb on this upcoming programme.
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The absence of opportunity to hear classical music could kill it but it doesn't seem very likely that such an absence of opportunity will occur, nor do I think that the death of music would have much to do with the compositional methods of modern or 'difficult' composers. I have no idea why music means so much to me but as I suspect may be true of others, it has absolutely nothing to do with music teachers.Last edited by gradus; 17-01-14, 13:49.
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