H&N tomorrow

[MrGongGong]

(from the horses mouth as it were )


A fabulous scoop for Hear & Now, tomorrow night on BBC Radio 3 at 10.30pm [http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03d6tlx]. We'll be broadcasting short excerpts from the 1955 recording sessions of Gesang der Jünglinge. Tune in to hear the 27 year old Stockhausen, directing the chorister Josef Protschka, working through the raw vocal material of the piece. These session tapes have been heard by only a handful of people and have never been broadcast, ever, anywhere in the world. Also in the programme, Gruppen, Stockhausen's piece for 3 orchestras, and two early pieces by Luigi Nono, Canti per 13 and Polifonica-Monodia-Ritmica.

[Beef Oven!]

(from the horses mouth as it were )


A fabulous scoop for Hear & Now, tomorrow night on BBC Radio 3 at 10.30pm [http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03d6tlx]. We'll be broadcasting short excerpts from the 1955 recording sessions of Gesang der Jünglinge. Tune in to hear the 27 year old Stockhausen, directing the chorister Josef Protschka, working through the raw vocal material of the piece. These session tapes have been heard by only a handful of people and have never been broadcast, ever, anywhere in the world. Also in the programme, Gruppen, Stockhausen's piece for 3 orchestras, and two early pieces by Luigi Nono, Canti per 13 and Polifonica-Monodia-Ritmica.

Great shout-out, not to be missed

[Boilk]

A fabulous scoop for Hear & Now, tomorrow night on BBC Radio 3 at 10.30pm [http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03d6tlx]. We'll be broadcasting short excerpts from the 1955 recording sessions of Gesang der Jünglinge.

Whilst this program will be fascinating from a music technology standpoint, in the bigger scheme of things - especially in the context of what came after - Gesang der Jünglinge isn't that brilliant a piece. Electronically speaking, it's undeniably seminal for its time (sine tones and the seamless integration of electronic and human sounds), but it's difficult to get excited about it as a well-structured musical discourse.

[MrGongGong]

I kind of know what you mean
but without it ........ your mate mr Smalley et al ?
It does make me think of Bagpuss

(but then , that's a work of genius IMV)

[Roehre]

(from the horses mouth as it were )


A fabulous scoop for Hear & Now, tomorrow night on BBC Radio 3 at 10.30pm [http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03d6tlx]. We'll be broadcasting short excerpts from the 1955 recording sessions of Gesang der Jünglinge. Tune in to hear the 27 year old Stockhausen, directing the chorister Josef Protschka, working through the raw vocal material of the piece. These session tapes have been heard by only a handful of people and have never been broadcast, ever, anywhere in the world. Also in the programme, Gruppen, Stockhausen's piece for 3 orchestras, and two early pieces by Luigi Nono, Canti per 13 and Polifonica-Monodia-Ritmica.

not to be missed

[Boilk]

I kind of know what you mean
but without it ........ your mate mr Smalley et al ?

Well I can't say for sure. Without Gesang someone else would have created the first piece using pure sine tones or the first combining electronic and human voice :) -- e.g. the folks in Paris -- so I'm not sure that without Gesang the genre would have developed any differently. One could say that the compositional methodologies of the electronic genre have developed somewhat inevitably in tandem with technological advancements rather than through any new musical ideologies (the latter giving rise to, say, serialism).

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Well, Gesang der Jünglinge is a brilliant piece whose well-structured Musical discourse always gets me excited - a cornucopia of beautiful sounds, too.

[Serial_Apologist]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03&6tlx

Not sure why this didn't work when I tried clicking on it on the first post here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radio3/posts/Coming-up-on-Hear-and-Now-Stockhausens-Gesang-der-Jungelinge

Technical problems, it seems.

[Beef Oven!]

Need to watch United thrash Southampton 1-1 in a minute - I assume I can tune into H&N later?

[Serial_Apologist]

Need to watch United thrash Southampton 1-1 in a minute - I assume I can tune into H&N later?

You could watch the footie later? After all, there's nothing you can do about it...

[Beef Oven!]

You could watch the footie later? After all, there's nothing you can do about it...

Football repeated tomorrow morning, not on iplayer

[hedgehog]

Enjoyed the whole programme though unfortunately only a few scraps of recordings of Stockhausen in rehearsal, which was to be expected I guess. At least clear to everyone now that he could sing his own lines Good that Gottfried Michael König was mentioned, it was a phenomenal team effort pushing the boundaries of what was possible at that time. But grrrrrr Gesang der Jünglinge is a 5 channel piece Mr Worby, not four!

[Richard Barrett]

But grrrrrr Gesang der Jünglinge is a 5 channel piece Mr Worby, not four!

In fact Robert was right. Gesang der Jünglinge WAS a five-channel piece for its premiere, with four of its tape tracks played back on one tape machine and the fifth on another. Problems with synchronising this system led to a four-channel version (with the original fourth and fifth channels mixed together) being made later in 1956 and first presented in Munich in November of that year. Since then the four-channel version has indeed been the standard version and the five-channel version has been lost, as Stockhausen admitted in an interview in 1987.

[hedgehog]

Oh right, thanks for that, though he might have said something to that effect. So the concerts with 5 speaker arrangements of Gesang der Jünglinge (and there have been one or two I'm pretty sure) were er ...... 'faked'?

[Richard Barrett]

the concerts with 5 speaker arrangements of Gesang der Jünglinge (and there have been one or two I'm pretty sure)

I don't know of any, actually (apart from the premiere), although I have heard performances where the 4 channels on tape have been diffused over a larger number of speakers - which I wouldn't describe as "fake".