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  • Braunschlag
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    • Jul 2017
    • 484

    Elgar Organ Sonata

    I'll keep it shortish. I opened my account on the forum with a bit of a groan regarding Mendelssohn which looks as though it's been picked over reasonably well.
    At this risk of burning a bridge or two I now train my guns onto my other pet dislike - namely the Elgar Organ Sonata. I like my Elgar and I've really tried with this piece but it really does nothing for me at all. It's not particularly well written for the instrument, containing little in the way of registration indications and, to my mind, pales into comparison with other lesser-known Sonatas such as the Harwood or even the Bairstow.
    I'd probably better button it now as I expect a counter attack soonish:)
    An overrated piece? Only played because it's by Elgar? I don't really follow why it's so popular.
  • BBMmk2
    Late Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 20908

    #2
    Originally posted by Braunschlag View Post
    I'll keep it shortish. I opened my account on the forum with a bit of a groan regarding Mendelssohn which looks as though it's been picked over reasonably well.
    At this risk of burning a bridge or two I now train my guns onto my other pet dislike - namely the Elgar Organ Sonata. I like my Elgar and I've really tried with this piece but it really does nothing for me at all. It's not particularly well written for the instrument, containing little in the way of registration indications and, to my mind, pales into comparison with other lesser-known Sonatas such as the Harwood or even the Bairstow.
    I'd probably better button it now as I expect a counter attack soonish:)
    An overrated piece? Only played because it's by Elgar? I don't really follow why it's so popular.
    Hope you have your coat handy!!
    Don’t cry for me
    I go where music was born

    J S Bach 1685-1750

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    • Braunschlag
      Full Member
      • Jul 2017
      • 484

      #3
      Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
      Hope you have your coat handy!!
      Ooh, indeed, I might need my passport this time around

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      • BBMmk2
        Late Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 20908

        #4
        Originally posted by Braunschlag View Post
        Ooh, indeed, I might need my passport this time around
        Well, I love the Elgar sonata. I don't think it one of his best works though but still very much a favourite of mine.
        Don’t cry for me
        I go where music was born

        J S Bach 1685-1750

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        • Tony Halstead
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 1717

          #5
          other lesser-known Sonatas such as the Harwood
          Now you're talking! What a masterpiece...

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          • Braunschlag
            Full Member
            • Jul 2017
            • 484

            #6
            Originally posted by Tony View Post
            Now you're talking! What a masterpiece...
            It seems to be gaining popularity but many steer clear because they just can't be bothered to tackle it's considerable technical demands.

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            • ahinton
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 16122

              #7
              To me, Elgar's Organ Sonata is one of his also-ran works - not as bad as Fringes of the Fleet, still less that ghastly Crown of India thing, but quite bad enough - and I write this as one who yields to none in his admiration and love for Elgar's finest works such as the concertos, the symphonies (yes, all three!), Alassio, Gerontius, Falstaff, the three late chamber works...

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              • Braunschlag
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                • Jul 2017
                • 484

                #8
                Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                To me, Elgar's Organ Sonata is one of his also-ran works - not as bad as Fringes of the Fleet, still less that ghastly Crown of India thing, but quite bad enough - and I write this as one who yields to none in his admiration and love for Elgar's finest works such as the concertos, the symphonies (yes, all three!), Alassio, Gerontius, Falstaff, the three late chamber works...
                It's my view entirely and I suspect that it's included in recital programmes not because it's a good piece but simply that it has Elgar as it's composer. The orchestration of it doesn't really improve things either.

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                • ahinton
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 16122

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Braunschlag View Post
                  It's my view entirely and I suspect that it's included in recital programmes not because it's a good piece but simply that it has Elgar as it's composer. The orchestration of it doesn't really improve things either.
                  No, indeed it doesn't; I wonder why anyone bothered to think that it might act as something of a saving grace for so graceless an unsaveable work!

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                  • Alison
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 6455

                    #10
                    Come on guys, folk like all that wistful melody.

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                    • Eine Alpensinfonie
                      Host
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 20570

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Braunschlag View Post
                      The orchestration of it doesn't really improve things either.
                      I think it does, especially in that wonderful slow movement.

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                      • Alison
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 6455

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                        I think it does, especially in that wonderful slow movement.

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                        • EdgeleyRob
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 12180

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                          I think it does, especially in that wonderful slow movement.
                          Me too.

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                          • Braunschlag
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                            • Jul 2017
                            • 484

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                            I think it does, especially in that wonderful slow movement.
                            Which suggests then that it wasn't particularly well written for the organ in the first place.

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                            • EdgeleyRob
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 12180

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Braunschlag View Post
                              Which suggests then that it wasn't particularly well written for the organ in the first place.
                              Not necessarily.

                              Is it still known as Elgar's Symphony No 0 in Gordon Jacob's orchestration ?

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