The Choir 26.01.14

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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30511

    #76
    It's unfortunate that the word 'elitist' has been filched from the socio-political sphere to describe something that the speaker disapproves of. Elitism allows the privileged few to acquire the power and influential posts which affect other people's lives.

    I see no connection between that and the much wider use of the word an 'elite' which can apply to people who have achieved an enviable position in a chosen field - sport, music, the professions. Individuals may or may not have had a privileged upbringing and education; perhaps they are more likely to have been thus favoured, but that isn't the deciding factor. Natural gifts and hard work are more important.

    Classical music is quite obviously 'out there' for anyone, at affordable prices. There is no 'elite' trying to keep people out; it's far more likely to be those who haven't experienced it who therefore don't give children the opportunity to pursue what they themselves have not pursued, or who make no effort to pursue it. Their motivation and psychology is what should be explored.
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • jean
      Late member
      • Nov 2010
      • 7100

      #77
      Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
      (SPR is the club Jonathan Greening played for before moving (via York City) to the elitist Manchester United, and later to the elitist Middlesborough, the elitist West Bromwich Albion and the elitist Fulham, and is now playing for the trying-very-hard-to-be-elitist Nottingham Forest.)
      Those clubs are better described as elite than as elitist.

      They aren't the same thing.

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      • Eine Alpensinfonie
        Host
        • Nov 2010
        • 20575

        #78
        Originally posted by jean View Post
        Those clubs are better described as elite than elitist

        They aren't the same.
        We can play with words, but they don't let just anyone into their clubs.

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        • jean
          Late member
          • Nov 2010
          • 7100

          #79
          Originally posted by french frank View Post
          Classical music is quite obviously 'out there' for anyone, at affordable prices. There is no 'elite' trying to keep people out...
          The word elitist should not be used unless it could be shown that such a group really existed.

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          • MrGongGong
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 18357

            #80
            Originally posted by jean View Post
            Those clubs are better described as elite than elitist
            I love a bit of Tap of an evening

            What's wrong with being sexy ?

            Ian Faith: They're not gonna release the album... because they have decided that the cover is sexist.
            Nigel Tufnel: Well, so what? What's wrong with bein' sexy? I mean there's no...
            Ian Faith: Sex-IST!
            David St. Hubbins: IST!

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            • antongould
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 8836

              #81
              I've just finished listening to Sunday's programme on iplayer and would anyone like to guess how many times the words tweet and/or Twitter appeared?

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              • jean
                Late member
                • Nov 2010
                • 7100

                #82
                Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                We can play with words, but they don't let just anyone into their clubs.
                I am not playing with words.

                These clubs are elites - anyone who has passed through a selection process is by definition part of an elite.

                But to describe them as elitist would involve their management trying to restrict their appeal to those who satisfied an approved set of criteria.

                That doesn't happen, of course - it's obvious nonsense. But as ff says, people are only too ready to believe that that's what happens in the case of classical music.

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                • jean
                  Late member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 7100

                  #83
                  Originally posted by antongould View Post
                  I've just finished listening to Sunday's programme on iplayer and would anyone like to guess how many times the words tweet and/or Twitter appeared?
                  I wouldn't. But I did note the other week that Robert Hollingworth tweeted a comment.

                  Why did he do it, I wondered? Did he really think it was a useful thing to do? Did someone ask him to? I don't remember what he said. It would have been much more worthwhile if he'd had ten minutes to say whatever it was properly.

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                  • teamsaint
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 25231

                    #84
                    Originally posted by antongould View Post
                    I've just finished listening to Sunday's programme on iplayer and would anyone like to guess how many times the words tweet and/or Twitter appeared?
                    150?

                    What annoys me about all this , is that the best form of audience participation, phone in competitions with substantial prizes, has fallen completely by the wayside.

                    Surely a top R3 show could run to a Richer sounds £200 voucher, or the complete top 20 CDs from this weeks Specialist Classical Chart.


                    (Is there a non specialist chart? if so, where?)

                    Back on topic, just listened to Poulenc's Gloria. tremendous.
                    I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                    I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                    • Gabriel Jackson
                      Full Member
                      • May 2011
                      • 686

                      #85
                      Originally posted by french frank View Post

                      Two years later, the BBC signed Aled Jones from Classic FM, for various presenting jobs on radio and television and, lo! 90 mins of choral music reappears on Radio 3 on a Sunday evening, with our new presenter in place of the old one. You may read into that what you wish, but I'm cynical: Aled Jones had a big personal following on Classic FM... I listened to the first two programmes and never listened again. Unlike you, apparently, I wasn't impressed. That doesn't preclude individual programmes being very good, certainly more recently (I believe that was stated here). I don't presume to pass judgement on what I haven't heard.
                      Aled Jones undoubtedly brought listeners to The Choir, and I don't see how that was a bad thing. On the two occasions I appeared on the programme with Aled, the subjects were serious, and addressed seriously. He is a very good interviewer.

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                      • DracoM
                        Host
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 12994

                        #86
                        I've heard many of his interview on R3 and, sorry, but from a listener's pov, he just isn't. He's cosy and never asks difficult or searching questions.

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30511

                          #87
                          Originally posted by Gabriel Jackson View Post
                          Aled Jones undoubtedly brought listeners to The Choir, and I don't see how that was a bad thing. On the two occasions I appeared on the programme with Aled, the subjects were serious, and addressed seriously. He is a very good interviewer.
                          He presumably improved then. He put me off listening completely. I'm not sure that having been a chorister twenty years ago gave him much expertise in the general choral repertoire. I preferred Paul Guinery. Or Martin Handley might have been better qualified.
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • Gabriel Jackson
                            Full Member
                            • May 2011
                            • 686

                            #88
                            Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                            I've heard many of his interview on R3 and, sorry, but from a listener's pov, he just isn't. He's cosy and never asks difficult or searching questions.
                            He certainly asked me a couple of questions which I found difficult to answer! But I'm not sure what is an (appropriately) difficult or searching question if you're talking about, say, multi-part music, or the singing cultures of Eastern Europe...

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                            • antongould
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 8836

                              #89
                              Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                              150?
                              ......
                              Not a serious answer ts? - but if it is lower, very much lower as they would say on Play Your Cards Right......

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                              • teamsaint
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 25231

                                #90
                                Originally posted by antongould View Post
                                Not a serious answer ts? - but if it is lower, very much lower as they would say on Play Your Cards Right......
                                No not, serious AG. I have no idea.
                                I would guess the average on "Breakfast" might be 20. so maybe 2 dozen?
                                too many at any rate......

                                Play your cards right? you'll have to enlighten me.
                                I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                                I am not a number, I am a free man.

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