The Choir Jan 12th 2014

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  • DracoM
    Host
    • Mar 2007
    • 12993

    The Choir Jan 12th 2014

    Sunday 12 January 2014 5 p.m.

    Sara Mohr-Pietsch explores the music of the Russian Orthodox Christmas, and introduces today's Choral Classic: Haydn's Nelson Mass.

    Plus, there's the first of a new series of interviews with leading lights of the classical music world - exploring the choral music that inspires them. Today, the acclaimed mezzo-soprano Sarah Connolly tells Sara about her choral favourites
    .

    Russian Orthodox Community in London celebrates the Nativity on Jan 12th, hence this programme.


    Teeny bit of a shame that the great season of Epiphany goes on being widely celebrated in many of the great churches of Christendom THIS Sunday.

    e.g. from St Thomas, Fifth Avenue, NYC:

    Prelude: Prélude sur l’Introit de l’Épiphanie, Maurice Duruflé (1902-1986)
    Prelude:Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BuxWV 223, Dietrich Buxtehude (c. 1637-1707)
    Responsory:adapted from Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina (c. 1525-1594)
    Hymn:[in leaflet]
    As with gladness men of old
    DIX
    Motet:Tribus miraculis, Hans Leo Hassler (1564-1612)
    Lesson 1:Matthew 2:1-12
    Carol:‘Three kings from Persian lands afar,' Peter Cornelius (1824-1874), arranged by Ivor Atkins (1869-1953)
    Hymn:[in leaflet]
    Songs of thankfulness and praise,
    SALZBURG
    Lesson 2:Matthew 3:13-17
    Anthem:When in Jordan thou wast baptized, John Tavener (1944-2013)
    Lesson 3:John 2:1-11
    Motet:A good, smooth wine, Orlandus Lassus (1532-1594)
    Anthem:‘The Three Kings,' Jonathan Dove (b. 1959)
    Hymn:[in leaflet]
    Brightest and best of the sons of the morning,
    MORNING STAR
    Voluntary:Epiphanie, Gaston Litaize (1909-1991)


    OR:

    Westminster Cathedral:

    Spatzenmesse Mozart
    Dilexisti iustitiam, 498 I
    IN BAPTISMATE
    And the glory of the Lord Handel
    Dilexisti, 499 G
    DOMINI Tribus miraculis Marenzio Inveni David
    Credo III Omnes qui in Christo, 61 C

    Organ: Toccata Dubois


    OR:

    Winchester Cathedral

    EVENSONG
    Responses: Walsh
    Magnificat: Lloyd Hereford Service
    Nunc Dimittis: Lukaszewski
    Anthem: Warlock Balulalow
    Sermon: Canon Paul Townsend.Ecumenical Canon, Priest, St Peter’s RC Church, Winchester
    Voluntary: Messiaen Les mages (La Nativité).


    Just a few suggestions as to the SEASONAL possibilities.

    And the website seems to indicate that the rest of the prog is the same formula as Sat afternoons: celeb does sort of DID but choral-flavoured.
  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30509

    #2
    Originally posted by DracoM View Post
    And the website seems to indicate that the rest of the prog is the same formula as Sat afternoons: celeb does sort of DID but choral-flavoured.
    'a new series of interviews with leading lights of the classical music world'?

    The choral programme was never the same once they axed Choirworks. A critical approach shouldn't rely on anyone choosing 'things they like'.
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • jean
      Late member
      • Nov 2010
      • 7100

      #3
      Originally posted by DracoM View Post
      Westminster Cathedral:

      Spatzenmesse Mozart
      Dilexisti iustitiam, 498 I
      IN BAPTISMATE
      And the glory of the Lord Handel
      Dilexisti, 499 G
      DOMINI Tribus miraculis Marenzio Inveni David
      Credo III Omnes qui in Christo, 61 C

      Organ: Toccata Dubois
      Actually, to be pedantic, that should look more like this:

      IN BAPTISMATE DOMINI (Epiphany was so last week!)

      Spatzenmesse Mozart
      Dilexisti iustitiam, 498 I
      And the glory of the Lord Handel
      Dilexisti, 499 G
      Tribus miraculis Marenzio
      Inveni David, 446 A
      Credo III
      Omnes qui in Christo, 61 C

      Organ: Toccata Dubois

      (The numbers tell you where the plainsong they refer to is to be found.)

      I take your general point, but we have never made that much of the Epiphany as a separate feast, have we? There's lots of fine music for it of course, but it usually gets subsumed into Christmas.

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      • DracoM
        Host
        • Mar 2007
        • 12993

        #4
        Once again, I am indebted to jean.

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        • Anna

          #5
          Sorry if this is a bit offtopic - but it made me smile.
          Gillian Reynolds in the Telegraph Radio Pick of the Week says: The Choir explores the music of Russian Orthodox Christmas .... Sara Mohr-Pietsch (who, having escaped from the enforced cheeriness of this network's clammily matey breakfast show, is clearly enjying wider realms of music making) presents

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          • ardcarp
            Late member
            • Nov 2010
            • 11102

            #6
            Originally posted by Anna View Post
            Sorry if this is a bit offtopic - but it made me smile.
            Gillian Reynolds in the Telegraph Radio Pick of the Week says: The Choir explores the music of Russian Orthodox Christmas .... Sara Mohr-Pietsch (who, having escaped from the enforced cheeriness of this network's clammily matey breakfast show, is clearly enjying wider realms of music making) presents
            Hilarious. Not off-topic at all! Just hope the 'clannily mateyness' hasn't transferred itself along with the presenter.

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            • DracoM
              Host
              • Mar 2007
              • 12993

              #7
              Well, all I'll say is that almost the first thing she did on the last The Choir was ask for tweets and emails, and later read some out.
              So....sorry, but.........I think the new broom has swept in some garbage off the Breakfast floor.

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              • mercia
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 8920

                #8
                Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                and introduces today's Choral Classic: Haydn's Nelson Mass..
                well bits of it anyway - I'm not sure I would agree with SMP that the organ comes "crashing in" at the second bar of the Kyrie ........ and I thought she could have mentioned the canon in the Credo
                Last edited by mercia; 13-01-14, 04:28.

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                • DracoM
                  Host
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 12993

                  #9
                  Formula as last week.

                  But even more chat. R3 homepage suggested top topic and big stuff was to be on the Russian Orthodox Christmas. It was actually less than 15 minutes of a 90 minute prog. Trade Descriptions Act?

                  And as predicted, Sarah Connolly did her Saturday Classics / mini DID thing - lot of Q&A chat small amount of music: segment was about 25 minutes.

                  Oh yes, and we got tweets, and 'epiphanies', Zadok the Priest, In the Bleak Midwinter, sundry hymns, and a rugby crowd's conversion to singing 'properly', and as mercia points out, bleeding chunks of Haydn Nelson mass, two hours before we get a whole evening of ......big Haydn The Creation. Genius planning, lads.


                  Strewth. We've had it if that is to be the formula every week. It really was exactly like Y10 Musical Appreciation.

                  Derisory and heart-breaking.

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                  • subcontrabass
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 2780

                    #10
                    Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                    Well, all I'll say is that almost the first thing she did on the last The Choir was ask for tweets and emails, and later read some out.
                    So....sorry, but.........I think the new broom has swept in some garbage off the Breakfast floor.
                    And more tweets invited by her at the start of the performance of Haydn's The Creation

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                    • french frank
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                      • Feb 2007
                      • 30509

                      #11
                      Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                      And as predicted, Sarah Connolly did her Saturday Classics / mini DID thing - lot of Q&A chat small amount of music: segment was about 25 minutes.
                      They didn't have another 'Twitterchat', did they? If you check this list of the 18 questions they registered for the Essential Classics afternoon Q & A, practically all seem to be employees or closely connected with the BBC/R3. Paul Murphy, Emily Marsden and 'Bostock and Pollitt' were the only three I couldn't identify.

                      Not saying at all they intended to deceive, but it surely shows there's no more listener interest in tweeting in than in the R3 blog and R3's Facebook.
                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • Frances_iom
                        Full Member
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 2418

                        #12
                        SMP seemed to have a very vague sense of history re dates of the 'cold war' - nor had she done her homework re the BBC broadcasts of the Orthodox Christmas + Easter services - I think it was our beloved wrecker RW who stopped these on R3 (too elite and in wussan a furren language ) - however the repeat of Evensong was very welcome having enjoyed it very much 1st time around but no doubt tht too will soon be a thing of the past

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                        • Keraulophone
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 1972

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Frances_iom View Post
                          '...however the repeat of Evensong was very welcome having enjoyed it very much 1st time around but no doubt that too will soon be a thing of the past
                          Oh dear; please don't sound so gloomy so early in the new year, at a time when some of us seek spiritual renewal (celebrating the Baptism of Christ yesterday). This 'thing of the past' (BCP, 1662) will be around for a very long time, if not until the second coming, and I, for one, have no reason to fear that Radio 3 will abandon its weekly broadcast of Choral Evensong, with or without repeat, that has graced the airwaves since 1926. I hope we'll be able to tune in to, or even take part in, the centenary CE broadcast in twelve years time. Amen.

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                          • DracoM
                            Host
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 12993

                            #14
                            How did the latest The Choir [Sun 19th Jan] go down?

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                            • jean
                              Late member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 7100

                              #15
                              I don't think someone of the standing of Robert Hollingworth should be encouraging them by joining in the tweetfest, as he did this afternoon!

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