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  • ardcarp
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 11102

    Schola Cantorum of Oxford

    I heard some of the finest choral singing from Schola last night, under Jamie Burton's direction, in the Brittrn's Endgame film on BBC4. There were only snippets of course, but they included, apart frpm the inevitable Hymn to the Virgin, quite a chunk of AMDG, a difficult and brilliant piece which is not so often heard. Even if not a Britten fan (which I am), it's worth skipping throughto pick out the choral bits. It's on i-player. Discussion about the Bridcut film is in the Briiten on BBC4 thread under Talking about Music.
  • Mary Chambers
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 1963

    #2
    They were very impressive indeed. I'd seen a preview and wondered who on earth they were - so very young, but so perfect. They even managed that difficult piece about old age from Sacred and Profane, written for Peter Pears's Wilbye Consort in 1974-5. I don't think the commentary mentioned that it was in 13th century English. It wasn't that there was something wrong with their diction.

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    • DracoM
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      • Mar 2007
      • 12993

      #3
      Agreed. Fantastic singing in a brilliant programme. BUT the credits whizzed by so quickly, I have no idea who sang the solos with the Schola.

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      • jean
        Late member
        • Nov 2010
        • 7100

        #4
        Originally posted by Mary Chambers View Post
        They even managed that difficult piece about old age from Sacred and Profane, written for Peter Pears's Wilbye Consort in 1974-5. I don't think the commentary mentioned that it was in 13th century English. It wasn't that there was something wrong with their diction.
        Has anyone got a link to the words - not the translation they gave in the subtitles? I'd like to have them for when I watch it again.

        Wonderful film.

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        • bach736
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 213

          #5
          Originally posted by jean View Post
          Has anyone got a link to the words - not the translation they gave in the subtitles? I'd like to have them for when I watch it again.
          Jean - click on 'Old English' in this helpful list from Hyperion. It's track 28 'A Death'.

          <p>2013 sees the centenary of Britten’s birth and a wide-ranging programme of concerts, operas and events, including performances of his choral music. This recording is the perfect introduction to this repertoire.</p> <p>Included on this <i>Gramophone</i> Award-winning recording is the last choral work for professionals which Britten was to complete—<i>Sacred and Profane</i>—a collection of eight medieval lyrics for voices in five parts (SSATB). Also included is the <i>Chorale after an old French Carol</i> whose text is by W H Auden (a close friend of Britten’s). The <i>Chorale</i>’s text was part of an unachieved <i>Christmas Oratorio</i> on which Britten and Auden intended to collaborate.</p> <p>The seven settings of poems by Gerard Manley Hopkins entitled <i>A.M.D.G.</i> were never performed in the composer’s lifetime and indeed had to wait until 1984 for their first performance.</p>
          Last edited by bach736; 15-11-13, 21:22.

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          • VodkaDilc

            #6
            Originally posted by DracoM View Post
            Agreed. Fantastic singing in a brilliant programme. BUT the credits whizzed by so quickly, I have no idea who sang the solos with the Schola.
            As usual with these things, I Sky-plussed and then rewound to have the chance to read the credits. I'm not sure the soloists were named.

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            • Mary Chambers
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              • Nov 2010
              • 1963

              #7
              Originally posted by bach736 View Post
              Jean - click on 'Old English' in this helpful list from Hyperion.

              http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/al.asp?al=CDH55438
              Clever! I couldn't find it online, though I have it in the book Benjamin Britten's Poets. It's the one called 'A Death'.

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              • ardcarp
                Late member
                • Nov 2010
                • 11102

                #8
                Mary, back in the 60s, when Britten was very much alive (we lived among giants in those days) our university lectureres tended to disparage some of Britten's choices of texts and librettists for his operatic works (barring MND of course). They felt, and I can sometimes see what they mean, that the words aren't as great as the music deserves. Do you have views on this?

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                • Mary Chambers
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 1963

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                  Mary, back in the 60s, when Britten was very much alive (we lived among giants in those days) our university lectureres tended to disparage some of Britten's choices of texts and librettists for his operatic works (barring MND of course). They felt, and I can sometimes see what they mean, that the words aren't as great as the music deserves. Do you have views on this?
                  The librettos/libretti (either will do!) vary hugely, from the overly verbose and self-consciously poetic words of Ronald Duncan in The Rape of Lucretia to the spare, deceptively simple texts devised by Myfanwy Piper, plus Eric Crozier's conversational style in Albert Herring and William Plomer's 'Elizabethan' words for Gloriana. Not to mention Montague Slater's Peter Grimes - considerably altered by Britten and Ronald Duncan, to Slater's annoyance, one gathers, and E.M. Forster's Billy Budd.

                  I feel Myfanwy Piper's libretto for Turn of the Screw is very good, and also her Death in Venice. It would be impossible to sing anything like the complex prose of Henry James or Thomas Mann, and I think she did a good job of condensing and clarifying their meaning, and making them singable. Great literature doesn't make for a good libretto in itself, and very complex words simply don't work in opera - though Britten could make a better case than most for any texts.

                  In songs I think it's different - great poetry does work if the setting is sensitive enough to the words.

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                  • ardcarp
                    Late member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 11102

                    #10
                    Thanks Mary.

                    the overly verbose and self-consciously poetic words of Ronald Duncan in The Rape of Lucretia
                    I was lucky enough to see Britten conduct (and do the piano recit in) The Rape. I think I was too overawed by the occasion to bother about the words!

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