CE Blackburn Cathedral Oct 16th 2013

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  • chitreb
    Full Member
    • Nov 2012
    • 124

    #16
    Since Regent Square was written by Henry Smart a former organist at Blackburn (before it was a cathedral) it seems reasonable to me to use the tune.

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    • mercia
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 8920

      #17
      I liked the sound of the organ, very raspy-reedy. Did we hear the serpent or imperial trumpet ?
      Last edited by mercia; 17-10-13, 06:20.

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      • Magnificat

        #18
        Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
        Whilst listening just now (I only joined in half-way...must hear the beginning) I browsed this, which seems very informative and comprehensive:

        http://www.blackburncathedral.com/le...sp?level_id=31
        ardcarp,

        I looked at this site the other day to find out which forces would be singing the service as this is one of the first broadcasts from the most recent DoM appointments.

        Once again, as with Wakefield, we have mixed boys and girls. The singing was very competent but I am just so disappointed that a new cathedral DoM who has been in post for two years is apparently not confident enough to broadcast his boys and men. Blackburn always used to under Richard Tanner although I think his last broadcast was mixed voices.

        There is another broadcast under a newly appointed DoM coming up from Norwich and it will be interesting to see what we get from him

        VCC

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        • DracoM
          Host
          • Mar 2007
          • 12963

          #19
          Liked the Palestrina- pretty slow, but decent tone, and the Rubbra - testing and disciplined. Interesting sustained tone by front line, bit wafty on the back rows.

          Sound a bit odd, maybe? Solo tenor sounded as if he was in Burnley. BUT Blackburn has a very tricky acoustic to capture to get focus from.

          Agree with ardcarp - organ very 'serpent' like.

          Interesting that the website suggests that the cathedral choir singing most services was a boys/men ensemble. Hmm.

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          • BWV 541

            #20
            I believe it is true that the boy & men sing almost every Sunday, although I hear numbers are greatly down in the boys. Why, oh why do DoM's mix their choirs - surely that only undermines both the boys & girls contribution to services. Depressing. Super balanced organ accompanying in the hymns though.

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            • Op. XXXIX
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 189

              #21
              Surprised no mention (so far) of the Whitlock Toccata, long a favourite of mine. It topped off a service I most enjoyed!

              Originally posted by chitreb View Post
              Since Regent Square was written by Henry Smart a former organist at Blackburn (before it was a cathedral) it seems reasonable to me to use the tune.
              Fair enough. Modified rapture with 'Regent Square', I we Get Smart (wow, apologies for '60's reference) would prefer 'Everton'.

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              • ardcarp
                Late member
                • Nov 2010
                • 11102

                #22
                I've listened to it all now. One of my favourite Psalms/chants! If one had listened with an innocent ear, one might have thought it to be an archive recording from 30 years ago...and this is meant as a compliment, not a criticism. It was a gentle sound, well blended, with undemonstrative ATB; rather the antithesis of WCC in fact! The service had a devotional feel and was obviously well-prepared. If I had to make any comment, maybe the Rubbra Mag needed to be a bit more 'gritty', but the Nunc was to the manner born, as indeed was the Sumsion. Interesting that the latter was commissioned by Repton Prep School which must have sported a pretty decent choir in years gone by.

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                • DracoM
                  Host
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 12963

                  #23
                  Gentle reminder that the repeat is now at 3 p.m. on Sundays.

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                  • NTR

                    #24
                    [QUOTE=Magnificat;342786]ardcarp,

                    I looked at this site the other day to find out which forces would be singing the service as this is one of the first broadcasts from the most recent DoM appointments.

                    "Once again, as with Wakefield, we have mixed boys and girls. "

                    No mixing of boys and girls voices at Wakey, just girls voices

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                    • Magnificat

                      #25
                      [QUOTE=NTR;343967]
                      Originally posted by Magnificat View Post
                      ardcarp,

                      I looked at this site the other day to find out which forces would be singing the service as this is one of the first broadcasts from the most recent DoM appointments.

                      "Once again, as with Wakefield, we have mixed boys and girls. "

                      No mixing of boys and girls voices at Wakey, just girls voices
                      NTR

                      Wouldn't it be encouraging for the tradition though if a new DoM of a cathedral with both boys and girls on his/her first broadcast CE came straight in with a really competent choir of boys and men.

                      In my view if he/she has been in post for two years he/she should be able to do so if he/she is on top of his/her job. Any half capable choir trainer can produce a decent choir of older girls. Boys really sort the wheat from the chaff.

                      Recruitment of boys is always wheeled out as being the main problem but in the Church Times this week mention is made on the letters page of a parish church choir with thirty boys singing twice on a Sunday so it can be done.

                      Even allowing for the extra commitment required you are lucky these days to find even half that number including probationers in a cathedral choir.

                      Why can't cathedral choirmasters recruit? Are they really trying or have they just given up and content to rely on the girls to keep their empires standing?

                      VCC.

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                      • Vile Consort
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 696

                        #26
                        Is there really anything left to say on this subject?

                        Perhaps the admins should consider having a "dead horses" section (like Ship of Fools) where persistent but ultimately irresolvable discussions like this can go, and hence be banned from elsewhere.

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                        • jean
                          Late member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 7100

                          #27
                          What a good idea.

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                          • Simon Biazeck

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Vile Consort View Post
                            Is there really anything left to say on this subject?

                            Perhaps the admins should consider having a "dead horses" section (like Ship of Fools) where persistent but ultimately irresolvable discussions like this can go, and hence be banned from elsewhere.
                            Seconded!

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                            • ardcarp
                              Late member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 11102

                              #29
                              Well, I don't object to Magnificat/VCC's making his views known. I don't necessarily agree with them, and I think the girls at Wakefield did a great job. He does have a point though. Boys need to sing, and there needs to be a critical mass of them for it not to be seen as uncool. And we also need future ATBs. Those with a chorister background come with so much more experience and technique. But on the wider issue, I don't see we need to 'block' anyone's views (unless they are grossly offensive). We all know VCC's angle. If we don't like it, we don't have to read it!

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                              • Vile Consort
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 696

                                #30
                                Adcarp - that's why I suggest having somewhere else to discuss it rather than banning the topic (or the contributor) outright.

                                He does have a point and in fact I have a lot of sympathy for it but, to misquote Alan Bennett in Beyond the Fringe, I do think he has made his point rather well.

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