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  • Simon

    #31
    Well, I thought I'd got it, but it seems not, now I've researched the London places (which I don't know).

    Anyway, here's my reasoning so far:

    He ignores either two out of West Cath, Wabbey and Southwark (for as yet unknown reasons). He skims over Rochester and arrives at Canterbury. Then he goes to Chichester (Psalms) and, not turning right to Winch (Patron Saint = St. Swithin of Rainy Day fame!) carries on to where the Victory is moored, i.e. Portsmouth.

    He continues along the south coast, past Exeter (St. Peter's, hence the Roman connection) (No Popery please ) to Truro (much newer) where Bishop Hedges is reported to have started smoking. I beg your pardon, where Bishop Benson is reported to have started the Carol Service tradition.

    The long flight then fooled me, as I thought immediately of NCO ("one strangely called "new"). However, you don't go to Gloucester via Oxford from Truro (well, you could, but...) - and you have to end up at Gloss (see below), so the two cathedrals he wings his way between have to be out of Bristol, Wells, Hereford and Wuss. Ardcarp has gone for Bristol and Wells; I'd have gone for Hereford and Wuss (Wuss is now the new cathedral built on the site of the older one) - but it appears this is incorrect, though I'd suggest equally valid!

    Anyway, he ends up at Gloss, where Edward II is reputed to have been murdered in a particularly unpleasant manner.

    So, he sits on Gloss and is shortly bound elsewhere.

    But where? What have the places he's been to in common that the places he's ignored have not?

    Well, I first thought cloisters, but no, or he'd have settled at Salisbury. Then I thought Lady Chapel/Apse type of thing, but that doesn't fit either. Rose windows, anybody?

    Now I'm thinking organ makes, but I really don't know enough about the southern cathedral organs nowadays.

    So if anyone else wants to have a go...

    Whatever, Decantor - it's a good little puzzle!!

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    • subcontrabass
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 2780

      #32
      Originally posted by Simon View Post
      , so the two cathedrals he wings his way between have to be out of Bristol, Wells, Hereford and Wuss. Ardcarp has gone for Bristol and Wells;
      Bristol is "new" (compared with Wells) in that it only became a cathedral in 1542.

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      • decantor
        Full Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 521

        #33
        He ignores either two out of West Cath, Wabbey and Southwark (for as yet unknown reasons). He skims over Rochester and arrives at Canterbury. Then he goes to Chichester (Psalms) and, not turning right to Winch (Patron Saint = St. Swithin of Rainy Day fame!) carries on to where the Victory is moored, i.e. Portsmouth.

        See my previous post (#30). Hope you enjoyed St Samuel and 'George'!

        He continues along the south coast, past Exeter (St. Peter's, hence the Roman connection) (No Popery please ) to Truro (much newer) where Bishop Hedges is reported to have started smoking. I beg your pardon, where Bishop Benson is reported to have started the Carol Service tradition.

        The long flight then fooled me, as I thought immediately of NCO ("one strangely called "new"). However, you don't go to Gloucester via Oxford from Truro (well, you could, but...) - and you have to end up at Gloss (see below), so the two cathedrals he wings his way between have to be out of Bristol, Wells, Hereford and Wuss. Ardcarp has gone for Bristol and Wells; I'd have gone for Hereford and Wuss (Wuss is now the new cathedral built on the site of the older one) - but it appears this is incorrect, though I'd suggest equally valid!

        The 'long flight' was "overland", Simon! He's got to go east of Bristol. And he flew between 'Old' and 'New' Foundations.

        Anyway, he ends up at Gloss, where Edward II is reputed to have been murdered in a particularly unpleasant manner.

        So, he sits on Gloss and is shortly bound elsewhere. But where? What have the places he's been to in common that the places he's ignored have not? Well, I first thought cloisters, but no, or he'd have settled at Salisbury. Then I thought Lady Chapel/Apse type of thing, but that doesn't fit either. Rose windows, anybody? Now I'm thinking organ makes, but I really don't know enough about the southern cathedral organs nowadays.

        Is this thread about organs? Or glass? Or architecture?

        Whatever, Decantor - it's a good little puzzle!! Thank you. You're so close - and I'm sure the link is something you won't have to look up.
        Last edited by decantor; 21-01-11, 23:11. Reason: formatting!

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        • subcontrabass
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 2780

          #34
          And why include Portsmouth and miss out Salisbury?

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          • Simon

            #35
            Yes - I did enjoy the Canterbury comments!!! Becket and that nincompoop Shaw, of course.

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            • Simon

              #36
              And why include Portsmouth and miss out Salisbury?
              You've clearly never been a pigeon, scb. The top of that spire is not only very high, but also very sharp!

              Have you any idea of the full answer?

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              • subcontrabass
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 2780

                #37
                Originally posted by Simon View Post
                Yes - I did enjoy the Canterbury comments!!! Becket and that nincompoop Shaw, of course.
                Shaw The reference is to Eliot (T S "Murder in the Cathedral" rather than George).

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                • Simon

                  #38
                  The reference is to Eliot (T S "Murder in the Cathedral" rather than George).

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                  • ardcarp
                    Late member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 11102

                    #39
                    decantor. Are the answers we are looking for to do with choral music, or just the places it is sung? We've been trying to link those places by all sorts of means; choir-schools, architectural features, deans...but the only common link seems to be rivers! I think we might need another hint.

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                    • decantor
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 521

                      #40
                      Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                      decantor. Are the answers we are looking for to do with choral music, or just the places it is sung? We've been trying to link those places by all sorts of means; choir-schools, architectural features, deans...but the only common link seems to be rivers! I think we might need another hint.
                      Think Opus Dei, chorally. (Gosh, I hope I'm right over this link. I never checked. I reckoned it was something that I - and everyone else here - knew anyway. I guess the drinks are on me if I've screwed up. But I still think I'm right.)

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                      • Dilbert

                        #41
                        No female choristers?

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                        • decantor
                          Full Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 521

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Dilbert View Post
                          No female choristers?
                          And so, bearing in mind that the questions were ---

                          Where, pray, was he headed now? And what exactly was his ‘original plan’?

                          ......the answers to the conundrum are.......?

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                          • Simon

                            #43
                            Well Gloss don't have a girls' choir as such, but they do at Pompey!

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                            • decantor
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 521

                              #44
                              Do you have some local knowledge, Simon? The only choristers acknowledged on the Pompey website are boys - and I've only ever seen reference to boys there. And if there is a hidden girls' unit at Pompey, do they regularly sing the Opus Dei?

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                              • Simon

                                #45
                                No local knowledge as such, but I was aware that girls sang there.

                                It turns out that they do, though not as a main cathedral choir but rather as a subsidiary choir - so although girls are part of the Pompey system, you are technically correct in that they aren't the main choir, decantor.



                                So, all we need to do is take off from Gloss in the direction of the nearest cathedral that doesn't have girls... and I expect it won't be long before somebody tells us where that is!

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