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CE Hereford Cathedral 25th July 2012
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Originally posted by Flosshilde View PostYes, indeed, 'here we go again'. Even in that context Edinburgh isn't 'far-flung' if you live, for example, in Glasgow. It's only 'far-flung' if your universe centres on the SE of England.
Thanks, flossie. You got in just before me as I was checking Draco's comment # 34 on the Ripon thread - highly relevant in this context.
Like you, I was going to say that Edinburgh is not in the least "far-flung" from Glasgow or even Dundee. I do wish certain people on these boards would take a much less anglo-centric approach. The world doesn't stop at the Watford gap.
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Originally posted by Flosshilde View PostYes, indeed, 'here we go again'. Even in that context Edinburgh isn't 'far-flung' if you live, for example, in Glasgow. It's only 'far-flung' if your universe centres on the SE of England.
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Robert Carver?
I was checking Draco's comment # 34 on the Ripon thread - highly relevant in this context.
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I'm not sure what Robert Carver has to do with a conversation about cathedral choirs, great composer that he was...!
I didn't read either of your comments as suggesting that either. Truro and Edinburgh ARE on the periphery of the cathedral choir world, both geographically and, arguably, in terms of the resources at their disposal (certainly compared to many older, better-endowed and wealthier foundations) which is why the current standards of their very fine choirs are such a cause for celebration.
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Originally posted by Gabriel Jackson View PostI'm not sure what Robert Carver has to do with a conversation about cathedral choirs, great composer that he was...!
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Originally posted by Gabriel Jackson View PostFar more people live in the South East of England than live in Glasgow, or Dundee! I take it you don't object to Truro being described as far-flung? It isn't if you live in Falmouth. But it is if you live in Edinburgh, Glasgow or Dundee.
Well, I would object to Truro being called far flung if I lived near it, but it is far-flung from Glasgow, just as London is. As for more people living in the SE of England than in Glasgow or Dundee, true - but ther are far more people living outside the SE of England than live within it. Perhaps you should just accept that saying 'cathedrals in Truro or Edinburgh' is better than making crass comments about their non-existent geographical remoteness?
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Originally posted by ardcarp View PostI dare say the denizens of Orkney or the Western Isles feel the same about Edinburgh.
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Did he not write for a cathedral (or abbey) choir? Seems quite relevant to me, even if Scone and Stirling are almost as far-flung as Dundee.
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Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post(But I don't think they'd like being called 'denizens')It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by Flosshilde View PostWell, I would object to Truro being called far flung if I lived near it, but it is far-flung from Glasgow, just as London is. As for more people living in the SE of England than in Glasgow or Dundee, true - but ther are far more people living outside the SE of England than live within it. Perhaps you should just accept that saying 'cathedrals in Truro or Edinburgh' is better than making crass comments about their non-existent geographical remoteness?
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Originally posted by ardcarp View PostIndeed, and whilst GJ would have been right to talk about music in the Anglican church as 'anglo-centric' about 75 years ago, Anglican choirs have embraced music from many sorces of late. The anthem from Hereford speaks for itself (if the composer's name is anything to go by) and I sang Carver as a member of a cathedral choir in the 70s. Psalms and Canticles remain pretty 'anglo' (though we get some Renaissance and Baroque examples of Mags and Nuncs from Europe from time to time) but anthems can be almost anything...and jolly good, say I.
I was talking about the practice of daily sung services in cathedrals (and college chapels) being Anglo-centric, which it is - the vast majority of such establishments are in England!
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Originally posted by french frank View PostAre you suggesting they wouldn't know what it meant?
Citizens - people who live in cities.
Denizens - people who live in dens. There's a Dens Road in Dundee, home to a football team, so that proves it.
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