I was glad

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Then there is the question of the suitablility of Zadok the Priest at a queen's coronation:

"God save the king;
Long live the king.
May the king live for ever..."

[Wolsey]

You're quite right. The next page gives "Vivat Rex Georgius". This was obviously for the 1911 coronation - George V and Queen Mary. These pages have been inserted into the 1902 score - there's no sign of what was there for Edward VII and Alexandra.

"Vivat Regina Alexandra! Vivat Rex Edwardus!".

[LeMartinPecheur]

"Vivat Regina Alexandra! Vivat Rex Edwardus!".

Surely they didn't insist on 'Ladies first' when they were crowning a king?!?

[Wolsey]

Surely they didn't insist on 'Ladies first' when they were crowning a king?!?

They do. At the coronation of a king and queen [consort], the vivat for the queen precedes that for the king.

[LeMartinPecheur]

They do. At the coronation of a king and queen [consort], the vivat for the queen precedes that for the king.

Time for a change then! Let's have some proper equality: monarch first and spouse second. Particularly if they change the succession to firstborn child regardless of gender

[Beef Oven]

Time for a change then! Let's have some proper equality: monarch first and spouse second. Particularly if they change the succession to firstborn child regardless of gender

Nah, let's get back to basics - gotta be a bloke, and gotta be a black, black protestant!

[ahinton]

Time for a change then! Let's have some proper equality: monarch first and spouse second. Particularly if they change the succession to firstborn child regardless of gender

Wouldn't such "proper equality" presume the need for simultaneity rather than implying the hierarchical with "first" and "second"?

Anyway, having read all the posts in this thread, I cannot help but wonder whether or why it matters at all!...

[ardcarp]

Maybe to highlight 'equality issues' we should do our bit for mental health and select a bipolar person. Wabbey could insert I was glad/glum according to the moment (and without any syllabic matching problems).

[Roger Judd]

Having dug out my copy of the 1902 service (as you do!) I can confirm that Vivat Regina Alexandra! Vivat Rex Edwardus! was sung/shouted by the scholars of Westminster School. Alexandra got one set of Vivats, Edward got two. The 1902 version of the intro to the anthem is the same length as the revised 1911 version, but musically totally different - the earlier one has a rather sombre air to it rather than festive or ceremonial.
RJ

[BBMmk2]

Isn't it! And there's so much more Parry that deserves to be heard!

Indeed there is. I have quite a few recordings opf his musioc, rather than the usual. Do you think that Parry was the 'English' Brrahms?

[DracoM]

No.

[Simon Biazeck]

Indeed there is. I have quite a few recordings opf his musioc, rather than the usual. Do you think that Parry was the 'English' Brrahms?

As good as, without a doubt. His solid counterpoint certainly stands up in comparison with Brahms. RVW said the Blest Pair of Sirens was the finest piece of English choral music he knew! The recent live rec. from the Royal Wedding is very moving and miraculously together considering the choir/orchestra positions in the Abbey.

I long to hear the Symphonies but refuse to download them on iTunes as I would rather have the cd with interesting notes. (Many of them are on You Tube!) I long to be advised otherwise, but they don't seem to be available via the usual websites unless prohibitively expensive! Incidentally, James Lancelot's complete recording of the organ works is brilliant. I'm hoping James Burton will do a cd of rare choral works (such as the Latin Magnificat) with the excellent Schola Cantorum of Oxford... hint-hint! Perhaps Prince Charles could sponsor that - perhaps he is!

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Bbm:
Do you think that Parry was the 'English Brahms'?

DracoM:
No.

Simon Biazeck:
As good as, without a doubt.

Gentlemen; to your corners! Seconds out, round One!

(I'm with Draco here; Parry wrote much excellent and insanely neglected Music, but he's more "the English Bruch" IMO - another composer famous for one work at the expense of others that deserve wider recognition.)

[ahinton]

Indeed there is. I have quite a few recordings opf his musioc, rather than the usual. Do you think that Parry was the 'English' Brrahms?

Like DracoM, I don't either but I would also question why he'd want to be or wish to be regarded as such. Parry's OK, to be sure - and I daresay that at least some of his work deserves to be rather better known than it is - but his mere "solid counterpoint" (which might as easily be read as something quite other than the compliment that Simon Biazeck presumably intended!) would hardly be sufficient of itself to warrant his being ranked alonside the composer of the two piano concertos, the fourth symphony, the double concerto and that wondrous collection of chamber music - and the prospect that Schönberg might have devoted by far the largest chapter of a book to Parry the Progressive hardly bears serious contemplation, does it?!...

[ahinton]

Parry wrote much excellent and insanely neglected Music, but he's more "the English Bruch" IMO - another composer famous for one work at the expense of others that deserve wider recognition.

I think that this is fair enough, if a little generous to Parry, though I still don't quite see why he should be thought of as the "English" anything, particularly given the Welsh origins of his surname!...