Music teaching and outcomes in schools

[french frank]

Is there a case for extracting the latest sub-plot and giving it a thread of its own, or are people happy for it to remain 'low-profile' within the current discussion (and assuming that comments on the original topic have new been exhausted)?

[Pabmusic]

Is there a case for extracting the latest sub-plot and giving it a thread of its own, or are people happy for it to remain 'low-profile' within the current discussion (and assuming that comments on the original topic have new been exhausted)?

I suspect it's time to put it to bed - what else is there to say?

[french frank]

I suspect it's time to put it to bed - what else is there to say?

I don't know - I wasn't wanting to shut down discussion - there might be others who would be interested if the subject matter was more easily identifiable than by the title 'Was it Songs of Praise?'

[From one who will spend entire evenings working on algebraic equations for no reason at all ... ]

[Pabmusic]

I don't know - I wasn't wanting to shut down discussion - there might be others who would be interested if the subject matter was more easily identifiable than by the title 'Was it Songs of Praise?'

[From one who will spend entire evenings working on algebraic equations for no reason at all ... ]

Well, I'm certainly game...

[MrGongGong]

Is there a case for extracting the latest sub-plot and giving it a thread of its own, or are people happy for it to remain 'low-profile' within the current discussion (and assuming that comments on the original topic have new been exhausted)?

sounds a good idea to me ..........
if people are interested that is

[french frank]

I believe the thread title will be changed to reflect both sub-threads.

[DracoM]

Done.
Was ardcarp's 'Was this Songs of Praise?' thread.

[Pabmusic]

Slightly mystified by the new title. I thought the new sub-plot was about Asperger's and autism.

[Flay]

...There is something quite nice about knowing you (quite possibly) share the condition with Mozart, Beethoven, Elgar, Bruckner, Mahler, Richard Strauss, Bartok, Newton, Darwin, Einstein, Turing, and Marylin Monroe (and a host of others) - all of whom exhibited enough symptoms of Asperger's.

I had mentioned Sorabji on the AA thread. Looking at how he behaved and worked, I expect that he too had the condition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaikhosru_Shapurji_Sorabji

This has been an excellent insight into Asperger's. Thanks, GG & Pab.

[french frank]

Slightly mystified by the new title. I thought the new sub-plot was about Asperger's and autism.

Change of title, I think, is to be multi-embraceable in view of the range or scope of the current thread.

By the way, I'm wondering how common it is for people to suspect that they might be (to use a current term) 'slightly Aspergers'? And does this somehow divert attention from a genuine condition?

[Flay]

By the way, I'm wondering how common it is for people to suspect that they might be (to use a current term) 'slightly Aspergers'? And does this somehow divert attention from a genuine condition?

I'm no expert, but it is a spectrum. I suspect many of us here are a bit "that way." I think I am....

[Pabmusic]

...By the way, I'm wondering how common it is for people to suspect that they might be (to use a current term) 'slightly Aspergers'? And does this somehow divert attention from a genuine condition?

I guess there is always a danger where people have little understanding of a condition, but it wouldn't be easy to keep up the self-delusion, or illusion, for long. It's in the life-long nature of the condition. A diagnosis serves to confirm what is already known by others, rather than coming as a bolt from the blue. Although the severity of individual symptoms does vary between individuals, 'slightly Aspergers' is a rather like being 'a little bit pregnant". People self-diagnosing would probably be adults, who have already lived long enough for others to know plenty about their personalities.

The second link in post 57 has plenty of relevant material about diagnosis.

[Anna]

A young member of my extended family has been diagnosed by his teachers as having 'mild Aspergers' He is 8 years old. This is based on his fear of school dinners (i.e. not knowing what may be served up and fear of facing them) and his insistance on having a lunch box with the same contents every day and his reluctance to attend new events, such as football workshops when the thought of these gets him very emotionally upset at not knowing what may be involved plus meeting new people. Personally I just think he's shy and lacking in confidence, and surely it's wrong that he's been labelled at such a young age?

[DracoM]

OK, but can autism etc be a new thread?

[Mary Chambers]

A young member of my extended family has been diagnosed by his teachers as having 'mild Aspergers' He is 8 years old. This is based on his fear of school dinners (i.e. not knowing what may be served up and fear of facing them) and his insistance on having a lunch box with the same contents every day and his reluctance to attend new events, such as football workshops when the thought of these gets him very emotionally upset at not knowing what may be involved plus meeting new people. Personally I just think he's shy and lacking in confidence, and surely it's wrong that he's been labelled at such a young age?

I agree. It's all too easy to label children with things like Asperger's and hyperactivity/Attention Deficit Disorder, and surely teachers aren't qualified to make a diagnosis anyway.