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  • Simon
    • Dec 2024

    If you thought the BBCS sound inappropriate...

    for some repertoire, well it is. But there is worse!

    Coming back home in the car yesterday, I switched to to Cfm. I tend to swap about between the presets when I'm driving on my own., and whilst Cfm can be annoying, you do get the gems from time to time and I'm not against the station per se.

    My mind registered a tonal choral work, then as I focused my wandering attention, I picked out "tormentum mortis" from amongst the vast washes of sound that were beginning to surround me. Concentrating even harder, I managed to isolate a few consecutive chords - quite difficult with an apparent decay of about half a minute - and realised that I knew the piece. But the realisation came with horror, rather than with pleasure, because I was hearing one of my all-time favourite works being smoothclassicked to death.

    Yes, it was the genius of Mr Byrd with his masterful setting of Justorum Animae, which needs, perhaps above any of his works, a simple, natural performance to make the most of the 5ths, the vital bass and the glorious harmonies.

    But it didn't get it. What it got was an utterly bizarre interpretation from Clare College. What the engineers had managed to do to the sound beats me; it was a cross between the soft, soothing, damped-down effect of lift muzac and the announcements from a particularly bad loudspeaker on an Italian railway station - where the only thing you make out, irrespective of your linguistic ability, are the words "binario due" echoing on and on under the canopy after a rapidly gabbled announcement.

    The Sixteen have recorded this. There's also an old recording with DW and KCC. We didn't do it, more's the pity, but surely some other proper cathedral has made a good recording? So why on earth Cfm should choose the Clare version I don't know. But what is far more worrying is that anybody from Clare with any feeling for music should allow it to be released. Byrd as musicke is great; Byrd as muzak is a travesty.
  • ardcarp
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 11102

    #2
    Byrd as musicke is great; Byrd as muzak is a travesty
    .

    Nice one Simon. Haven't heard 'the travesty' but I can imagine it. Has WCC done it? That would be the one for me if they have.

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    • WmByrd

      #3
      Many great recordings. I doubt WCC would be capable of anything special these days. It's a choir that has been going down hill for at least 10 years.

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      • Daveinnorfolk

        #4
        A quick hunt suggests that the Byrd Justorum Animae has been recorded by many cathedral choris including Hereford, Worcester (Under Donald Hunt) and Christ Church Oxford

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        • BasilHarwood
          Full Member
          • Mar 2012
          • 117

          #5
          Originally posted by WmByrd View Post
          Many great recordings. I doubt WCC would be capable of anything special these days. It's a choir that has been going down hill for at least 10 years.
          Clarification, please: WCC?

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          • WmByrd

            #6
            I thought he meant Westminster Cathedral Choir. If not then I might take it back!

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            • BasilHarwood
              Full Member
              • Mar 2012
              • 117

              #7
              More than likely... Though could be Wrocław Cathedral Choir?

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              • WmByrd

                #8
                Where??

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                • WmByrd

                  #9
                  Ah I see. With the big festivals and arts funding there, who can tell?

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                  • BasilHarwood
                    Full Member
                    • Mar 2012
                    • 117

                    #10
                    Originally posted by WmByrd View Post
                    Ah I see. With the big festivals and arts funding there, who can tell?
                    Ah, I was just being silly... But now you say it the Polish arts funding is striding ahead!

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                    • french frank
                      Administrator/Moderator
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 30451

                      #11
                      Welcome, BH!

                      You strike a chord with me: Wrocław, a very interesting city, fine cathedral, historic university quarter, beautiful botanic gardens. I'm sure the singing is worthy of such a lovely place, though I didn't have the chance to hear any ...
                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • mangerton
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 3346

                        #12
                        Originally posted by french frank View Post
                        Welcome, BH!

                        You strike a chord with me: Wrocław, a very interesting city, fine cathedral, historic university quarter, beautiful botanic gardens. I'm sure the singing is worthy of such a lovely place, though I didn't have the chance to hear any ...
                        Indeed. I was in a choir which sang here in 1982.:

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                        • mopsus
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 828

                          #13
                          Some indication of Wrocław's musical health may be given by this recent disc:

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                          • JFLL
                            Full Member
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 780

                            #14
                            Originally posted by french frank View Post

                            Wrocław, a very interesting city, fine cathedral, historic university quarter, beautiful botanic gardens..........
                            ... and among other things the birthplace of Otto Klemperer, the university which gave Brahms an honorary degree and thus gave the world the Academic Festival Overture, and with a fine book about it by Norman Davies and Roger Moorhouse. (It's still 'Breslau' to me, as an inveterate germanophile -- not that I'm a polonophobe, let me add).

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                            • Finzi4ever
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 601

                              #15
                              Originally posted by WmByrd View Post
                              Many great recordings. I doubt WCC would be capable of anything special these days. It's a choir that has been going down hill for at least 10 years.
                              Is no one in the know going to challenge this statement? I would be most unlike this board for it not to be. Sadly not having heard them in the flesh for longer than the stated 10 years I am not in a position to comment, but do find it surprising.

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