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  • Barbirollians
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 11759

    Haydn : the Creation

    I have the highlights of the Bernstein recording which i have always enjoyed but feel the need to upgrade to a complete Creation- should I stick with Lenny or are there better alternatives ?
  • John Skelton

    #2
    For me the performance conducted by René Jacobs http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//HMC902039-40.htm (the blurb might give the impression it's a recording from the Barbican, which it isn't). Though if you don't like relatively small forces and period instruments you may wish to stick with Lenny .

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    • Eine Alpensinfonie
      Host
      • Nov 2010
      • 20575

      #3
      Bernstein's recording was the first one I owned, being given to be by my university friends for my 21st birthday. However, the LPs were recorded at a very high level, in the way of CBS at the time, so the dynamic range was rather like that of a drumkit player. Later I bought the VPO/Munchinger, which seemed far more tasteful, and this remains my favourite to this day.

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      • VodkaDilc

        #4
        The version which I have known for many years is the one conduced by David Willcocks, with King's College Choir, Heather Harper, Robert Tear and John Shirley-Quirk. It gives no claim to authenticity and glories in the wonderfully quirky (sorry!) English words. (If it's to be sung in English, why try to improve on them?)

        Nowadays, though enjoying Willcocks occasionally, my preference is for Hengelbrock on DHM.

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        • BBMmk2
          Late Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 20908

          #5
          I have JEG, Paul McCreesh and Rattle. Why not try The Seasons?
          Don’t cry for me
          I go where music was born

          J S Bach 1685-1750

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          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
            Gone fishin'
            • Sep 2011
            • 30163

            #6
            The Sony/CBS Bernstein or the later DG version, Barbi?
            I like Lennie's later recording, but, for a "Big Band" Creation, nothing matches Karajan's flawed, heavily edited but magnificent 1960s version IMO.
            Rene Jacobs for a HIPP alternative.

            You might also find this interesting reading:
            The composion and description of Joseph Haydn's late oratorios, Die Schöpfung (The Creation) and Die Jahreszeiten (The Seasons)


            Best Wishes and Happy Listening: it is a glorious work!
            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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            • aeolium
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 3992

              #7
              I agree that The Creation is an astonishing work, fhg, but I feel it was a pity that Haydn was persuaded to write the follow-up oratorio The Seasons which imv is nothing like as powerful and which seems to have taken a great effort to write. If he had not been engaged on that, perhaps he might have been able to write a full set of quartets for op 77 rather than just the two (marvellous ones) which he completed. Oh well....

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              • Nick Armstrong
                Host
                • Nov 2010
                • 26575

                #8
                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                for a "Big Band" Creation, nothing matches Karajan's flawed, heavily edited but magnificent 1960s version IMO.
                R
                Seconded, ferne - no one should be without those Adam and Eve duets, DF-F and above all Janowitz heart-stopping... And Fritz Wunderlich to boot!

                PS interested to read that, aeolium, as I have never been able to warm to The Seasons.
                "...the isle is full of noises,
                Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                • mercia
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 8920

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                  Fritz Wunderlich
                  is this the recording that (wikipedia says) has recitatives recorded by another tenor because Wunderlich had passed away?

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                  • Nick Armstrong
                    Host
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 26575

                    #10
                    Originally posted by mercia View Post
                    is this the recording that (wikipedia says) has recitatives recorded by another tenor because Wunderlich had passed away?
                    That's the one...
                    "...the isle is full of noises,
                    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                      Gone fishin'
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 30163

                      #11
                      Oh yes; Wunderlich's spine-tingling entry ("And God saw the light": one of the few recits he recorded here) after the "Licht" chord is just something everyone should treat themselves to at least once in their life.
                      And, as Cali says, DF-D and Janowitz (alone and together: Janowitz's exultant rising scale at the end of "The Marv'llous work behold amazed" ).
                      And the choruses.

                      To hell with "balance": THIS is the recording to have!

                      (PS: it's all in German, of course - I use the English words because that's how I learnt it as a 12-yr-old treble!)

                      PPS: anyone know the "Live" recording made just before this studio version (Wunderlich singing everything, Kim Borg instead of DF-D)?
                      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                      • vinteuil
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 12954

                        #12
                        ... yes, like others I wdn't be without the Karajan - Janowitz - Wunderlich - DFD - Ludwig Schöpfung.

                        However - with ears now more attuned to a HIPP approach - I can much recommend the Bruno Weil with Tafelmusik and Ann Monoyios, Jörg Hering, Harry van der Kamp on Sony.

                        I like The Seasons. And there's a pretty good version with la Petite Bande and Sigiswald Kuijken on virgin veritas...

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                        • VodkaDilc

                          #13
                          Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                          ..


                          I like The Seasons. And there's a pretty good version with la Petite Bande and Sigiswald Kuijken on virgin veritas...
                          And, with a completely different approach, to put it mildly, there's a wonderful Beecham version on SOMM. (Though I agree that everything Kuijken does is worth buying.)

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                          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                            Gone fishin'
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 30163

                            #14
                            Originally posted by VodkaDilc View Post
                            (Though I agree that everything Kuijken does is worth buying.)
                            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                            • Barbirollians
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 11759

                              #15
                              The DG Bernstein I was referring to . Karajan's soloists do sound very tempting though.

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