COTW Victoria

[doversoul1]

I’ve just found this (sorry, if it has already been posted)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artists/09170b4d-9a28-4d6a-9070-9c8c725826ec#p00fj07p

Donald Macleod is joined by Jeremy Summerly to explore the life and works of Victoria

But what is the picture of Victoria on the playlist?

[DracoM]

DM said in today's programme how Avila is studded with statues, places of worship dedicated to St Teresa. Indeed it is. But what you will not find is as much to mark the life of Tomas Luis de Victoria. Nay, on a very recent guided tour of the cathedral there in which the boy learnt his trade as a chorister, I asked the guide about him, and the guide did not know of whom I spoke.

I kid you not.

[decantor]

DM said in today's programme how Avila is studded with statues, places of worship dedicated to St Teresa. Indeed it is. But what you will not find is as much to mark the life of Tomas Luis de Victoria. Nay, on a very recent guided tour of the cathedral there in which the boy learnt his trade as a chorister, I asked the guide about him, and the guide did not know of whom I spoke.

I kid you not.

Nice story. The power of history and culture, eh? In the music circles of Protestant Europe, it is TLdeV who brings honour to Avila, and St Teresa is the footnote.

[pilamenon]

Domine, non sum dignus (solo de vihuela)
Doctor bonus, amicus Dei
Carlos Mena (counter-tenor), Juan Carlos Rivera (vihuela)
Harmonia Mundi, HMI987042, t8 & 20

Wasn't this lovely? A less often heard Victoria. This comes from the Et Jesum album that was featured on Building A Library earlier in the year. Today D Macleod said something about it being an arrangement or transcription, but didn't quite catch it.

http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Harmonia%2BMundi/HMG507042

[decantor]

Wasn't this lovely? A less often heard Victoria. This comes from the Et Jesum album that was featured on Building A Library earlier in the year. Today D Macleod said something about it being an arrangement or transcription, but didn't quite catch it.
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/H...undi/HMG507042

Yes, both were exquisite - the instrumental solo especially, IMO. But, if I understood correctly what DM told us, both are modern arrangements based on known Renaissance practice. Equally interesting was the suggestion that TLdeV was toying with instrumental accompaniments for his choral works, and that research is in progress to re-create the effect - though I'm happy to settle for the a capella versions.

[vinteuil]

Has anyone yet heard the Ensemble Plus Ultra ten CD set of complete Victoria on DG Archiv? I think it was on the Breakfast "chart selection" earlier this week...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Victoria-Sacred-Ensemble-Plus-Ultra/dp/B0050F6JQE/

[DracoM]

Didn't catch it - which day? Can I get it on i-Plodder? Mixed voice ensemble, maybe, but Brit? Spanish? American?

[vinteuil]

Didn't catch it - which day? Can I get it on i-Plodder? Mixed voice ensemble, maybe, but Brit? Spanish? American?

Tuesday morning Breakfast -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b013m439

[Simon Biazeck]

Didn't catch it - which day? Can I get it on i-Plodder? Mixed voice ensemble, maybe, but Brit? Spanish? American?

Michael Noone is from Sydney and studied music at King's, Cambridge. He has been highly decorated by the Spanish gov. for his services to Spanish music. The group seems to operate out of Spain, Madrid, possibly, and I see a couple of the sopranos are well known on British pro choral scene.

[vinteuil]

Michael Noone is from Sydney and studied music at King's, Cambridge. He has been highly decorated by the Spanish gov. for his services to Spanish music. The group seems to operate out of Spain, Madrid, possibly, and I see a couple of the sopranos are well known on British pro choral scene.

Simon - many thanks for that. I think I'll go for it - it looks a bargain!

https://www.ensembleplusultra.com/victoria.htm

[DracoM]

Got it. Thanks. Sounds just a tad anaemic to me. Not sure I could take that for 10CDs! Do they expand the forces for some pieces?

[Simon Biazeck]

Got it. Thanks. Sounds just a tad anaemic to me. Not sure I could take that for 10CDs! Do they expand the forces for some pieces?

I have to agree there. I guess they must expand a little, but considering they seem to be making a clean sweep across his entire output, they are probably keeping it one or two to a part. This seems to be what I've heard on iTunes, anyway. They are using sackbutts and cornets in some places which isn't widely done elsewhere. The Spanish must be throwing money at them!

[doversoul1]

I have posted this on the EMB but though it was worth shouting about it again here. Especially interesting discussion about the Victoria CD set.

CD Review 10:50
Andrew talks to Simon Heighes.

Victoria: Sacred Works
VICTORIA: Missa Pro Victoria; Missa Pro Defunctis; Psalms and Responsories; Lamentations of Jeremiah; Missa Gaudeamus; Magnificat Octavi toni; Missa Ave Maris Stella; Missa de Beata Virgine; Motets; Magnificat Primi Toni; Alma Redemptoris Mater; Missa O quam gloriosum; Christe redemptore omnium; Doctor bonus amicus Dei Andreas; Tibi Christe; Music for the Easter Liturgy in Habsburg Madrid; Missa Ave Regina caelorum for eight voices; Motets and music for Vespers; Missa Salve a 8; Motets and Hymns for the liturgical year;
Ensemble Plus Ultra, Michael Noone (director)
Archiv 4779747 (10 CDs, budget)

LASSUS: Prophetiae Sybillarum; Magnificat Quant'in mille anni il ciel; Iustorum animae; Deficiat in dolore vita mea; Tristis est anima mea; Missa Amor ecco colei
The Brabant Ensemble, Stephen Rice (conductor)
Hyperion CDA67887 (CD)

GESUALDO: Madrigals, Book 3
Delitiæ Musicæ, Marco Longhini (conductor)
Naxos 8.572136 (CD, budget)

[vinteuil]

doversoul - well worth shouting about! - and Simon Heighes gave the Victoria a rave review (which was also scholarly, perceptive etc etc), which cheered me up no end, because while he was doing so, the copy I had ordered (#25 above) landed on my doormat. An extraördinary bargain - what, £3 odd per CD?? marvellous...

[Roehre]

I have posted this on the EMB but though it was worth shouting about it again here. Especially interesting discussion about the Victoria CD set.

Was an interesting discussion indeed.
The cheapest I found for the Victoria set is MDT