CE Croydon Minster [R] 21.x.20

[DracoM]

CE Croydon Minster [R] 21.x.20
Recorded 18th October.


Order of Service:


Introit: We wait for thy loving kindness (McKie)
Responses: Smith
Psalm 106 (Parry, Stanford)
First Lesson: Isaiah 51: 1-6
Canticles: Evening Service in D minor (Walmisley)
Second Lesson: 2 Corinthians 1: 1-11
Anthem: Give unto the Lord (Elgar)


Voluntary: Toccata (Simon Preston)


Simon Hogan (Organist)
Ronny Krippner (Director of Music)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000nmr8

[Cockney Sparrow]

Last Sunday's morning R4 service came from there.

[DracoM]

Reminder: today @ 3.30 p.m

[cloughie]

Ididn’t know that Croydon had a minster - a google check tells me it hadn’t until 2011 when its main church was upgraded!

[oddoneout]

Ididn’t know that Croydon had a minster - a google check tells me it hadn’t until 2011 when its main church was upgraded!

This came up a little while ago. A church in my neck of the woods became a minster a few years ago, I forget what the reason was for the change.

[Finzi4ever]

This came up a little while ago. A church in my neck of the woods became a minster a few years ago, I forget what the reason was for the change.

Leeds PC took 'minster status' only in 2012, 'Donny' in 2004, King's Lynn 2011. Other than the 'dignity' accorded from civic associations. I'm not sure what the title now confers. Musically Croydon & Leeds deserve it (am either not convinced or know not of the others...). Back in the day, the title had something to do with Anglo-Saxon foundations, hence Lincoln, York, Southwell and Ely ('from Ely minster then, Rang out across the fen..)

[DracoM]

Sound of choir has every sense of Whitgift Sch boys partic on back desks.........was that so?

[ardcarp]

Last Sunday's morning R4 service came from there

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...and CE was I guess recorded on the same day. Walmisley was organist at Croydon Parish Church [only latterly a 'minster']. His father was an organist and Thomas Attwood was his godfather. Walmisley went on to Trinity College, Cambridge, and held simultaneously various other Cambridge posts.

He is chiefly known nowadays of course for his D minor canticles, which are approachable by parish choirs as well as cathedrals. An old friend of mine, Prof Arthur Hutchings, now deceased, would never hear a word said against them, and considered them quite innovative for their times, the mid-nineteenth century.

[Roger Judd]

à propos Arthur Hutchings ... I heard him espouse an amusing theory regarding Walmisley in D minor. The composer was somewhat addicted to opium (allegedly!), and the innovative nature of the Magnificat was as a result of a 'fix'. It gradually wore off, and this explained, according to the Professor, why the Nunc dimittis was less adventurous ... discuss!
Hope to catch the broadcast shortly.
RJ

[Graingerfan]

Can anyone help clear up a mystery? A relative who was going to listen to this yesterday said there was an announcement that it wouldn’t be broadcast then, but transmitted today instead. Yet it’s on iPlayer, just as normal....

[DracoM]

Wel, it WAS on - I heard it. so.........??? Bit puzzled.?

[jonfan]

Wel, it WAS on - I heard it. so.........???

And what a huge sing it was! A very long Psalm and a thrilling Elgar anthem to enjoy. I enjoyed the service immensely and the obvious enthusiasm and commitment of everyone.

[oddoneout]

Can anyone help clear up a mystery? A relative who was going to listen to this yesterday said there was an announcement that it wouldn’t be broadcast then, but transmitted today instead. Yet it’s on iPlayer, just as normal....

Might there have been an announcement that it was recorded on 18th October - ie not a live broadcast? Doesn't explain giving today's date instead though as that doesn't fit with either of the two CE days. It certainly happened on Wednesday.

[oddoneout]

And what a huge sing it was! A very long Psalm and a thrilling Elgar anthem to enjoy. I enjoyed the service immensely and the obvious enthusiasm and commitment of everyone.

I very much enjoyed it also but in a rather too emotional way. I was in a rather low state anyway and the music all had associations, happy in themselves but setting off memories of things recently lost and things that won't come back. Past CE participation but no more in future(not due to Covid), a sudden death, last choir concert. Complete mess by the end but it was cathartic I suppose - living alone can catch up at the best of times and these are not they...
The Sunday repeat will I hope be less intense and I can enjoy it at face value so to speak.

[Quilisma]

I have become rather accustomed to having to start my comments with some version of "I apologise to anyone who chooses to be offended or outraged, but be that as it may...", but anyway, I apologise to anyone who chooses to be offended or outraged, but be that as it may...

In case anybody is getting exercised about broadcasts which are recorded (as live) in advance, there are obvious practical reasons why this is being done, particularly at the moment. One option which the BBC certainly uses from time to time is to take advantage of their visit to a particular place for a live broadcast on a certain day by also pre-recording another broadcast for future use while they are there. During these highly uncertain times, when many broadcasts are in any case being arranged at much shorter notice than usual, this is simply sensible. There is nothing dishonest or inauthentic about the pre-recorded broadcast, which is, after all, recorded "as live" and will be broadcast unchanged when the allocated time comes. I would suggest that this is preferable to another archive repeat from the equivalent time in a previous year. After all, one cannot assume that restrictions will not increase again before they are relaxed, and at the moment there are relatively few of us whose choirs are privileged enough to be able to function more or less as normal.

So, for example you will be able to listen to us (from a certain place) live on Armistice Day, but on the previous day, for "very specific and limited" reasons, we will have been subtly observing Epiphany, which you will be able to hear at Epiphany!