CE Liverpool Cathedral [A] Wed, Feb 12th 2020

[DracoM]

CE Liverpool Cathedral [A] Wed, Feb 12th 2020
(first broadcast 26 February 2003)


Order of Service:


Introit: The Call (Lloyd)
Responses: Lloyd
Psalm 119: 145-176 (Garrett, Wilton, Garrett, Atkins)
First Lesson: Ecclesiastes 1: 1-11
Office Hymn: King of Glory, King of Peace (Gwalchmai)
Canticles: Kelly in C
Second Lesson: James 2: 14-24
Anthem: Insanae et Vanae Curae (Haydn)
Te Deum in C (Holst)

Voluntary: Sept Improvisations, No 7 (Saint-Saens)

Ian Tracey (Organist and Master of the Choristers)
Ian Wells (Assistant Organist and Choral Conductor)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000f5mw

[ardcarp]

Good to hear the Bryan Kelly again.

[DracoM]

Reminder: today @ 3.30 p.m.

[DracoM]

Bump

[DracoM]

That was some sing. Nowhere to hide in tricky repertoire.

[ardcarp]

Insanae isn't that hard...apart from a few high notes. I might be just me, but in some places (eg Psalms and Responses) I detected a whiff of 'singing under the note'. This might be the effect of the cavernous acoustic; for instance a loud final organ chord left to buffet around for 8 seconds will tend to flatten as it dies away. I suppose the same thing might happen to choral pitch.

[mw963]

Absolutely agree ardcarp. There was just that hint of sag in the tuning more than once, and right from the start.

[Triforium]

Doppler effect.

[ardcarp]

Hmmm. Maybe. The Doppler Effect as I understand it, is when the source of sound and the perceiver of sound are moving apart, creating an apparent decrease in wavelength, hence a drop in pitch. (Same sort of thing applies to light, hence the Red Shift.) I've no idea why sound bouncing off walls and vaults should have that effect on a stationary listener (or microphone). There must be some other explanation. Any physicists around?

[mw963]

I think we must assume - from the fact that Triforium hasn't elucidated further - that a tongue was probably to be found firmly in cheek.

I did in fact google Doppler and LIverpool Cathedral, and the only effect I could find involved choirboys running as fast as they could the length of the nave, whilst the organ was playing. I was told (many years ago) that a similar effect could be achieved at Chichester (without the organ) by screaming as one ran.

[Alison]

Going back to Kelly in C, has it fallen out of the repertoire a bit these days?

[DracoM]

John's recently featured it in a CE.
And St T's Fifth Ave NYC use it now and again.

[Alison]

John's recently featured it in a CE.
And St T's Fifth Ave NYC use it now and again.

I understand there’s also a Kelly in A flat.

[mopsus]

I understand there’s also a Kelly in A flat.

Do you mean his 'Jamaican Canticles' in E flat? They are fun to sing - I believe they were in the first instance for upper voices only and then arranged for SATB, so there is quite a lot of doubling. (IIRC - I have only sung these once and it was some time ago so I may be mistaken.)