Gaudamus Laudate by Brahms

[salymap]

Ihave an enquiry from an organist friend for the above. Spelt as sent to me. Any ideas, I don't know what they mean? Thanks'

[Osborn]

Probably this:

http://abcplus.sourceforge.net/choral/Gaudeamus_Igitur.pdf

[salymap]

I don't think so Osborn, isn't that what is quoted in the Academic Festival Overture? He would know that.

[mercia]

very little Brahms in latin
only the opus 37 Three Sacred Choruses as far as I can see
I can't even find a gaudamus laudate by anyone else

[Roehre]

Brahms quotes the student song Gaudeamus igitur (Let us rejoice) at the end of the Academic Festival Overture.

Here the original Latin text and its English translation

Gaudamus laudate means We rejoice; (and) praise! , and AFAIK not set by Brahms. I am doubtful whether this combination is proper Latin (either classic or eclesiastical)

[salymap]

Thanks all. My friend has been asked to play it and hasn't heard of it either. Think a 'faulty'request probably.

[french frank]

I am doubtful whether this combination is proper Latin (either classic or eclesiastical)

No, it isn't. Gaudemus laudate would mean 'We rejoice you praise.' [Gaudeamus = Let us rejoice. NB Don't think I've ever come across 'gavisus sum' ...] Gaudamus is not a correct form.

I looked through the works of Brahms in Grove and there was no title that included gaud* or laud*.

[decantor]

No, it isn't. Gaudemus laudate would mean 'We rejoice you praise.' [Gaudeamus = Let us rejoice. NB Don't think I've ever come across 'gavisus sum' ...] Gaudamus is not a correct form.

[Off Topic - sorry I can't help there]. FF, if you know Poulenc's Christmas motets, then you have (more or less) come across gavisus sum - Videntes stellam Magi gavisi sunt = "seeing the star, the Magi rejoiced.....".

[french frank]

[Off Topic - sorry I can't help there]. FF, if you know Poulenc's Christmas motets, then you have (more or less) come across gavisus sum - Videntes stellam Magi gavisi sunt = "seeing the star, the Magi rejoiced.....".

I obviously never had much opportunity to use the perfect tense

[mangerton]

Some verbs in Latin are "deponent", passive in form but active in meaning. Eg nascor, nasci, natus sum - to be born. Gaudeo, gaudere, gavisus sum is a semi-deponent, passive in form only in the perfect tenses.

Apologies if I'm teaching any grannies to s e!

Btw, Palestrina wrote a superb setting of "Videntes stellam" for double choir.

[french frank]

Gaudeo, gaudere, gavisus sum is a semi-deponent, passive in form only in the perfect tenses.

If asked directly (I wonder who would do so?) what the perfect of gaudeo was, I would have recalled debeo-debere-debui, habeo-habere-habui or teneo-tenere-tenui and arrived at gaudeo-gaudere-gaudui. And yet ... gaudui? I don't think so. But I would have been quite stumped at suggesting an alternative.

Btw, Palestrina wrote a superb setting of "Videntes stellam" for double choir.

He did too - for 8vv according to Grove but it doesn't seem to be that well known.

[jean]

Gaudamus laudate means We rejoice; (and) praise!...I am doubtful whether this combination is proper Latin (either classic or eclesiastical)

It seems to want to mean we rejoice, (you) praise.

But the present indicative of 'gaudeo' is gaudemus.

(Sorry, you'd already covered that.)

You couldn't possibly guess from the present stems whether a verb suddenly went deponent in its perfect. There aren't many that do. audeo, audere, ausus sum (to dare) is probably the most common.

I suppose you could include fio, fieri, factus sum (to become), or you could say it just pinched its perfect from the passive of facio (to do).

[jean]

Gavisi sunt discipuli, viso Domino occurs somewhere (Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord).

[french frank]

Gavisi sunt discipuli, viso Domino occurs somewhere (Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord).

I was obviously reading the wrong texts!

[mangerton]

He did too - for 8vv according to Grove but it doesn't seem to be that well known.

I sang in the choir which recorded it (Palestrina's "Videntes Stellam") for Radio 3's "Let the Peoples Sing" in 1979. I think that was the year we won.

Being radio, of course, we could stand still and sing. Prancing about was fortunately not required.