Music at a....certain event

[LMcD]

The spiritual is based on a biblical reference, of course.

I hope the reference didn't make too many people think about the Handmaid's Tale.

(It did sound like bomb to me, but I quickly realised I must be mistaken.)

Well, I know one person who immediately made the connection...

[MickyD]

Not related to music but I thought a divorced person whose ex-partner was still alive could not marry in church and even if the woman’s ex was no longer alive, she was not to wear a white dress. When did this all change?

If you asked my 93 year old mother's opinion, ds, she would tell you in no uncertain terms that a white dress for a divorcee was absolutely out of the question!

[jean]

Presumably your mother thinks that nobody has sex before they get married for the first time?

And those pregnant brides in white dresses...parthenogenesis?

[doversoul1]

Presumably your mother thinks that nobody has sex before they get married for the first time?

It wasn’t that long ago when this was the norm and marrying in church still had some sort of meaning. Comes to that having a wedding ceremony itself meant something then.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

It wasn’t that long ago when this was the norm and marrying in church still had some sort of meaning.

It still does for some people - just a different "sort of" meaning from "not that long ago".

[jean]

...Comes to that having a wedding ceremony itself meant something then.

If it didn't mean anything now, nobody would bother to have one, would they?

What really annoys me is those straight couples who feel they are being discriminated against because they can't have civil partnerships, when everyone knows these were just s a sop thrown to gay people back in 2004 when society wasn't quite ready to countenance us getting properly married.

(Something else to note about Michael Curry - he has always been an outspoken advocate of gay marriage in church.)

[french frank]

It still does for some people - just a different "sort of" meaning from "not that long ago".

The problem comes when people expect - or even demand - it to have the same meaning, same rules, for everyone else as it has for them.

[DracoM]

[Serial_Apologist]

What really annoys me is those straight couples who feel they are being discriminated against because they can't have civil partnerships, when everyone knows these were just s a sop thrown to gay people back in 2004 when society wasn't quite ready to countenance us getting properly married.

The counter-argument to that is of civil partnership not carrying the historical patriarchal implications of straight marriage.

[jean]

That might be some kind of argument if civil partnerships had been established with that in mind.

But they weren't - see my post above.

If straight people had wanted a legally-recognised union free of historical patriarchal implications they could have campaigned for it - but they didn't.

Marriage is what people make of it. With so many gay couples now getting married, it is nonsense to consider the institution inherently and inalienably patriarchal.

5,646 couples contracted civil partnerships in 2013, but this number decreased by 85% in the following two years when gay marriage became legal. And 7,732 couples converted their civil partnerships to marriage in the first six months since that option became available.

The Republic of Ireland voted for gay marriage without any intermediate fudge. Are any straight couples there campaigning for civil partnerships?

It may also give pause for thought that Marine Le Pen had a proposal in her manifesto to repeal gay marriage legislation and "Créer une union civile (PACS amélioré) qui viendra remplacer les dispositions de la loi Taubira".

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[underthecountertenor]

Oh, dear - she did have an off day, didn't she?! Fortunately the visuals meant that most people probably weren't giving it their foremost attention.

The Signum recording, though, does show why it's not surprising that she was asked in the first place.

I’ve just read Alan Blyth’s Gramophone review of the Signum disc. Suffice it to say that I think he’d disagree with your second paragraph. But no doubt he was being a bitch too.

[underthecountertenor]

As to why she was asked, she did it for the London Paralympics (tuning not much better) - and of course that is a cause dear to the Prince’s heart. Which is fair enough - he isn’t renowned for his musical ear.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I’ve just read Alan Blyth’s Gramophone review of the Signum disc. Suffice it to say that I think he’d disagree with your second paragraph. But no doubt he was being a bitch too.

That is remarkable, indeed, seeing how the CD was released on 2nd July, 2012, and Mr Blyth died on 14th August, 2007.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Blyth's review (which must have been one of his last) was of the earlier Heliodor release, with the OAE - not the Signum with the Armonico Consort.

[underthecountertenor]

Blyth's review (which must have been one of his last) was of the earlier Heliodor release, with the OAE - not the Signum with the Armonico Consort.

Mea culpa. Hadn’t realised she’d recorded it twice, remarkably.