What is the DoM playing at? Typical!
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Dear All,
Herewith an 'insider's' point-of-view. For twenty-odd years it was my responsibility, at St George's Windsor, to direct the solo quartet in the annual Ash Wednesday outing of the Allegri. Two boys, an alto and a bass at the west end of the Nave, with the rest of the choir up in the Quire. Even without a red light on, for a live broadcast, those performances were among the more stressful moments of the year. As director of this little ensemble you are helpless, and totally at the mercy of the top C lad! He may have nailed it in rehearsal, but never think that the actual performance will necessarily go as well - relief is wonderful when it does. I recall very few that went 'wrong', but it is a live performance, not a CD we are listening to. Accidents happen - we wish they hadn't, and I suspect we wish they hadn't even more when they go out 'on air' with no means of recalling them.
Best wishes,
RJComment
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Ardcarp #9 outlined similar.
Many thx for Mr Quinney's performance note link.
Thx also for Roger Judd upthread.Comment
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Why thank you!Originally posted by rogbi200 View Post
(From your link)...Elsewhere we follow the canonic version, with two departures: in one solo verse, the sharpened leading notes notated by Mendelssohn, which produce an astonishing augmented sixth with the bass at the cadence; and in another, a third Cantus part, imitating the top C and stepwise descent at the distance of a semibreve. How to justify this intervention? Well, “Allegri’s Miserere” is a made-up piece, a patchwork of sources of varying authorities. Our version simply makes it up a little more.
That's exactly what I thought I heard, as I said earlier:
But most of the historically-informed versions, like the one researched and put together by Ben Byram-Wigfield as linked to by Wolsey in #13 don't update beyond the 'canonic' version, or stop before they get there (scroll down for his various editions). New College here goes further.Originally posted by jean View Post
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Having read the link at #37 it would seem I wasn't that far out when I suggested that it was the choir's version of the Allegri, but for a different reason! I just wish I could have read that before the event, as then I would have heard it as 'different' rather than 'wrong'. It still might have jarred but due to unfamiliarity rather than anything else. I'll try again on Sunday. I don't much like the Allegri, but in the spirit of always open to learning(or at least trying to be), and the chance to hear the Walmisley and the Bach again, it would be an hour well spent.Comment
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Maybe would have been a tad easier if the BBC had tipped us the wink? - or maybe they didn't know / didn't read the NCO website?
Frankly it never occurred to me to look at Mr Quinney's discussion - I suppose one always assumes one knows a piece just by reading it on the chapel listing - which I actually did do after the upthread notice suggesting a re-siting of the Litany in the Order of Service.
I thought it was an interesting re-imagining as a score.Comment
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Do you think that they really need to be reminded of this? Do DoMs really assume that their efforts in a broadcast act of worship are 'just background music for drivers'?Originally posted by mopsus View PostComment
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Indeed! Esp the Ash Wednesday CE of all CEs!Comment
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Originally posted by Wolsey View Post
Actually given the down-market vandalism that started with Kenyon in 1992, it may well be the case that "organists and choirmasters" do indeed wonder at who is listening to Radio 3 nowadays. I certainly would, the few times I hear the idiotic tweets that are read out in the mornings when I have the rare (and normally completely avoidable) misfortune to run into Radio 3....Last edited by mw963; 16-02-18, 09:04.Comment
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No I’m not letting this pass without comment. Pre 1992 was very dull presentation, but very worthy. Idiotic tweets, as you engagingly censure the views of others, does mean people are listening to Radio 3 but not in the way you prefer. Idiotic tweets can, IMHO, occur on this thread but who am I to condemn? Long Live NK and thank you.Originally posted by mw963 View Post
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They can indeed, but here they don't take up the time when more Music could be played and nobody is obliged to take any notice of them if they wish to listen to Music.Originally posted by jonfan View Post
mw963 is quite right IMO - the rot started with Kenyon.[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]Comment
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Well that's your view of course jonfan. There were many at the time who disagreed, and would still disagree with you now. But on past experience of your posts - and indeed of my own (proudly) entrenched attitudes - I'm not going to waste my breath further. We just have to disagree, as we do on Leighton.
And if you'd known the Radio 3 Pres team in the eighties (as I did) you'd have also known that they were ANYTHING but stuffy or worthy!
Now back to MDR Klassik on satellite where I'm enjoying Mozart's Quartet K464.Comment
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Originally posted by DracoM View Post
It’s certainly different and left quite a few here with egg on their faces. Mr Quinney knows how to stir this thread into life in a big way.
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Well, to be fair, I don't think it's so much Mr Quinney's updated scoring of the Allegri that has stirred the thread, is it? There are other issues there!!
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