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  • Petrushka
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 12390

    #61
    Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
    Well said! Completely agree with you. I thought the care and attention to detail was of the highest standard as ever. Stephen Cleobury is a very good incumbent of this hallowed post, imo. I missed hearing the Sir David Willcock's arrangement of O Come all ye Faithful, with those descants. That's my only quibble.
    Sorry, BBM, but O Come all... was in the Willcocks arrangement as per usual. Agree with comments above about the organ/organ scholars though. Like policemen, they seem to get younger every year. The organ sounded thrilling through my system and the engineers did a very fine job.
    "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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    • oddoneout
      Full Member
      • Nov 2015
      • 9423

      #62
      It would be interesting to know what the 'ordinary' congregation/audience thinks/thought of alternative descants, or indeed descants in general. Conversation over the years with friends and chance folk suggests that for 'Hark the Herald' and certainly 'O come all ye faithful' the(Willcocks) descants are expected and welcomed as part of the whole Christmas thing, and are missed when for whatever reason they don't appear.

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      • BBMmk2
        Late Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 20908

        #63
        Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
        Sorry, BBM, but O Come all... was in the Willcocks arrangement as per usual. Agree with comments above about the organ/organ scholars though. Like policemen, they seem to get younger every year. The organ sounded thrilling through my system and the engineers did a very fine job.
        Was it Pet? Oh crumbs!
        Don’t cry for me
        I go where music was born

        J S Bach 1685-1750

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        • Triforium
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 148

          #64
          Was the voluntary subsequently announced as 'El Duce' Jubilo?

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          • DracoM
            Host
            • Mar 2007
            • 13009

            #65
            Am NOT trying to imply that trebles were poor etc, au contraire, BUT as one poster put it upthread they were asked to scale heights fff from the start and then pretty regularly against massive ffff textures round them. Would be testing for ANY trebles, and the KCC trebs - yes, brilliant - BUT they also know they truly have to deliver particularly in 'that service' - so, of course, no pressure! And, as I say, they would have been very hard at this and similar repertoire for weeks on and offstage as it were. For my money, that is a tough ask, pro or not.

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            • Wolsey
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 419

              #66
              Originally posted by jonfan View Post
              Ledger and Willcocks cornered the market in Christmas descents and have never been seriously challenged.
              I beg to differ, and use Christopher Robinson's for 'O come' and 'Hark! the herald angels sing'. As for 'descents': was that a Freudian slip?

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              • jonfan
                Full Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 1465

                #67
                [Quote]I beg to differ, and use Christopher Robinson's for 'O come' and 'Hark! the herald angels sing'. As for 'descents': was that a Freudian slip?[Quote]

                Oops no, my carelessness. I’ll investigate Robinson’s descants, thank you. There’s a fascinating interview in the December Organists’ Review where he’s speaking about his life and influences. Especially his methods of training choristers.

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                • Gabriel Jackson
                  Full Member
                  • May 2011
                  • 686

                  #68
                  Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                  One of the alternative carols was Bob Chilcott's Shepherds' Carol. The bar lengths change between 2/4 and 3/4. I sang it in a choir I belonged to in North Yorkshire. The sopranos would stretch the 2/4 bars to equal the 3/4 bars, and the conductor didn't appear to notice. So when the tenors had a similar passage on the following page, they were reprimanded for rushing, even though they were the ones who were rhythmically correct.

                  So listening to KCC Choir, I was aghast to hear them stretching the 2/4 bars too. Maybe it's one of those passages, specified by a composer, but everyone ignores it
                  Bob Chilcott's The Shepherds' Carol is mostly in 6/8, with the odd 2/4, 9/8, 3/4 etc.

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                  • Eine Alpensinfonie
                    Host
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 20580

                    #69
                    Originally posted by Gabriel Jackson View Post
                    Bob Chilcott's The Shepherds' Carol is mostly in 6/8, with the odd 2/4, 9/8, 3/4 etc.
                    I'm sure you are right. My memory is a little faulty. But the issue of the 2/4 bars being stretched into 6/8 is the issue.

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                    • BBMmk2
                      Late Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 20908

                      #70
                      Originally posted by Gabriel Jackson View Post
                      Bob Chilcott's The Shepherds' Carol is mostly in 6/8, with the odd 2/4, 9/8, 3/4 etc.
                      Quite enjoyed that!
                      Don’t cry for me
                      I go where music was born

                      J S Bach 1685-1750

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                      • Finzi4ever
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 603

                        #71
                        Originally posted by Triforium View Post
                        Was the voluntary subsequently announced as 'El Duce' Jubilo?
                        Yes it indeed was, or possibly 'Il Duce'! That's Radio 4 announcers for you - can't help let their political leanings show

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                        • bluestateprommer
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 3031

                          #72
                          Just saw this in today's NYT on line, an attempt to educate us benighted Yanks on the Festival of Nine Lessons and Carols:



                          I never knew, for one, that the solo singer for "Once in Royal David’s City" doesn't know until the microsecond before that he will kick off the proceedings. Anyway, as good an excuse as any to revive this thread for this year. Speaking of which, this year's program:

                          King’s is a dynamic and diverse College in the heart of Cambridge. Founded in 1441 by King Henry VI and recognised for its iconic Chapel, King's has a proud history of independent thought and offers a friendly and forward-thinking community to applicants from all backgrounds.

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                          • Nick Armstrong
                            Host
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 26603

                            #73
                            Originally posted by bluestateprommer View Post

                            I never knew, for one, that the solo singer for "Once in Royal David’s City" doesn't know until the microsecond before that he will kick off the proceedings.
                            If this BBC documentary is broadcast in the US (I bet it will be / has been on BBC Worldwide) https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...f-kings-carols - then you can see, "for the first time ever", that process actually happening at the 2017 service... complete with interview with the chorister thus singled out...
                            "...the isle is full of noises,
                            Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                            Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                            Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                            • DracoM
                              Host
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 13009

                              #74
                              The 2018 Service details are posted at:

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                              • Vox Humana
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2012
                                • 1261

                                #75
                                Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                                If this BBC documentary is broadcast in the US (I bet it will be / has been on BBC Worldwide) https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...f-kings-carols - then you can see, "for the first time ever", that process actually happening at the 2017 service... complete with interview with the chorister thus singled out...
                                I don't think the BBC programmes are viewable outside the UK - or are they? Anyway, it was interesting to see this being done - and to note that there are good, practical reasons for doing it this way; it's not a mere party trick.

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