Elizabeth I and God's Music
BBC4 Tues, 17th Oct 9 p.m.
Lucy Worsley / doc about the development of the liturgical idea of Evensong.
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Elizabeth I and God's Music
BBC4 Tues, 17th Oct 9 p.m.
Lucy Worsley / doc about the development of the liturgical idea of Evensong. -
Look forward to it. Will she be in the choir stalls wearing a ruff and generally cross-dressing?
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You know our Lucy - never passes up an opportunity for a photo-op, does she?Comment
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She never passes up an opportunity to talk about sex either, which is perhaps a bit more worrying in this context.Comment
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She was in Saturday's 'The Times' togged up as Carmen, complete with cigar. O tempora, o mores.Barbatus sed non barbarusComment
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She doesn't have to cross-dress to be in a cathedral choir any more, hadn't you heard?Originally posted by ardcarp View Post...Will she be in the choir stalls wearing a ruff and generally cross-dressing?
But it's true, girls aren't ususally allowed ruffs. Why is that? Some places don't even seem to put them in surplices.Comment
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The girls should be allowed what we old Anglo-Catholics used to call "full catholic privileges" and that includes birettas as at Mainz. (Which I can't show as the jpeg is too big, drat it!)Barbatus sed non barbarusComment
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That would be good, since according to St Paul:
But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.Comment
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Last Sunday I saw a female Queen's Remebrancer wearing a wig with a cute little tricorn hat on top. I thought that might be because she was in church at the time and therefore the wig alone wouldn't provide sufficient covering - but I see male Queen's Remenbrancers have to wear this strange combination as well.Comment
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Looks like the local G&S Soc production of Iolanthe![FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]Comment
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... and have you seen the bonkers things they have to do?Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
I'm sure they're just a spoof...
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There was a time, wasn't there, when any women who found themselves in church choirs wore specially designed robes (definitely not cassocks) and soft Oxford caps (like Thomas More's), and no surplices.
I wonder if that's why some girls' choirs don't wear surplices, even now?Comment
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Further research indicates there's something going on here I suspected but don't fully understand:
When I went to Mass few Sundays ago at a liberal parish, I was shocked to see two grown women (40's-50's) serving at Mass and they wearing a Cassock and a Surplice???? Aren't only men supposed to wear this???? It was very troubling to say the least...don't even get me started about women not belonging on the Altar whatsoever, that is another argument for another thread...but dang it, if they are going to be up there, they should only wear that white, aesthetically unpleasing, bath robe looking thing....THEY SHOULD NEVER WEAR CASSOCK AND A SURPLICE. Does this happen anywhere else, or am I the only lucky one that gets to experience it (Satire intended)
Among the replies:
If they can wear an alb, then they can wear cassock and cotta or surplice. The alb is exactly what the priest wears under vestments for eucharistic services, so I would think you would prefer women in cassock and surplice, as that is not the same as what a priest wears.
In Anglican churches, before the deluge, women in the choir (when they became permitted to sing in choirs), would wear academic gowns with an Oxford style soft cap. You still see this in some third-world churches. Now, women and men all wear cassock and surplice.
(Several of the respondents think it's a surplus the women are or aren't wearing, which opens up new avenues of research...)Comment
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A church I used to attend in a University city introduced its first female servers in the early 1990s; they had to wear academic gowns, not cassocks and surplices. (Also their serving was confined to early morning services on weekdays so as not to offend anyone; to this day the church has not had a female celebrant, though it has not signed any of the 'Resolutions'.) The prohibition on women wearing cassocks and surplices, though, has since been dropped even there!
My current church choir all wear cassock and a garment which I believe is officially called a 'scapular' - an ecclesiastical equivalent of a tabard.Comment
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