Choral Music for John Piper

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  • jean
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 7100

    Choral Music for John Piper

    The opportunity has arisen for the devising of a programme of choral music to accompany the opening of an exhibition of works by John Piper.

    This exhibition highlights John Piper's pivotal role in the development of modern art in Britain, by placing him alongside the likes of Alexander Calder and Pablo Picasso, among others.


    All suggestions gratefully received.
  • ardcarp
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 11102

    #2
    One thinks of Myfanwy Piper's collaborations with Britten. The Turn of the Screw springs to mind...but that's hardly a practical suggestion for inclusion in a concert! Piper's most visited work must be the glass in Coventry Cathedral. Again, The War Requiem might be a big ask! But anything by Britten (eg Flower Songs, Hymn to St Cecilia, Hymn to the Virgin, etc, etc) would chime in with Piper's life and times.
    Sorry not to be more helpful.

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    • jean
      Late member
      • Nov 2010
      • 7100

      #3
      It's a good start!

      Piper also did the glass in Liverpool Cathedral of course, but I don't think we can replicate the Pierre Henry Liverpool Mass.

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      • DracoM
        Host
        • Mar 2007
        • 12993

        #4
        Have you talked to the Duffy bros?

        I'd echo ardcarp in suggesting a Britten, esp the Flower Songs.

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        • Pianorak
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 3128

          #5
          John Piper had strong Welsh connections, ie Llandaff Cathedral in Cardiff, painting trips to Snowdonia and to South Wales.

          Perhaps some of Grace Williams's work: The Dancers, Choral Suite (1951); Missa Cambrensis(1971);
          Ave Maris Stella, for SATB chorus a cappella; Two Psalmsfor contralto, harp and strings (1927)
          My life, each morning when I dress, is four and twenty hours less. (J Richardson)

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          • Mary Chambers
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 1963

            #6
            Originally posted by jean View Post
            It's a good start!

            Piper also did the glass in Liverpool Cathedral of course, but I don't think we can replicate the Pierre Henry Liverpool Mass.
            In Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral, that is.

            There should certainly be Britten. He designed almost all of Britten's operas, as well as the memorial window in Aldeburgh Church.

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            • jean
              Late member
              • Nov 2010
              • 7100

              #7
              Sorry - for a moment I forgot therre was another one!

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              • vinteuil
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                • Nov 2010
                • 12954

                #8
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                ... I think he designed some stuff for works by Alun Hoddinott - worth exploring?


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                • Pulcinella
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                  • Feb 2014
                  • 11111

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                  One thinks of Myfanwy Piper's collaborations with Britten. The Turn of the Screw springs to mind...but that's hardly a practical suggestion for inclusion in a concert! Piper's most visited work must be the glass in Coventry Cathedral. Again, The War Requiem might be a big ask! But anything by Britten (eg Flower Songs, Hymn to St Cecilia, Hymn to the Virgin, etc, etc) would chime in with Piper's life and times.
                  Sorry not to be more helpful.
                  So, various settings of the Coventry Carol would seem appropriate.

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                  • ardcarp
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 11102

                    #10
                    So, various settings of the Coventry Carol would seem appropriate.
                    ...maybe especially the glorious one by Kenneth Leighton?

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                    • Pulcinella
                      Host
                      • Feb 2014
                      • 11111

                      #11
                      Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                      ...maybe especially the glorious one by Kenneth Leighton?

                      Indeed, but I didn't want to offend our friend on this forum who can't stand his music by naming names!
                      Last edited by Pulcinella; 14-07-17, 06:06.

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                      • Dafydd y G.W.
                        Full Member
                        • Oct 2016
                        • 108

                        #12
                        Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                        ...maybe especially the glorious one by Kenneth Leighton?
                        Leighton came to my mind too.

                        Mathias would be another composer appropriate both for the "mid-century modern" aesthetic and for the Welsh connexion.

                        Late Howells (the sparer more astringent style he moved towards has something of the m.c.m. about it).

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                        • ardcarp
                          Late member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 11102

                          #13
                          I thought this was a neat summary of Piper's painting style:

                          Jack Castle looks at a new London exhibition of John Piper, an artist who is long overdue for reevaluation. John …


                          Interesting that he toyed with the abstract in the interwar years before moving back to the representational. One wonders if a composer who did likewise (for 'the abstract' read serialism) might chime in. Stravinskty? Bernstein? Any others??

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                          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                            Gone fishin'
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 30163

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                            Interesting that he toyed with the abstract in the interwar years before moving back to the representational. One wonders if a composer who did likewise (for 'the abstract' read serialism) might chime in. Stravinskty? Bernstein? Any others??
                            Eh?

                            So ... Bernstein "toyed with the abstract (read Serialism) before moving back to the representational" (?read ... ???) did he? I must've missed that. And Stravinsky's interwar works are "toying with serialism" before he moved back to the "representational" late works, such as ... ?
                            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                            • BasilHarwood
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                              • Mar 2012
                              • 117

                              #15
                              Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                              Eh?

                              So ... Bernstein "toyed with the abstract (read Serialism) before moving back to the representational" (?read ... ???) did he? I must've missed that. And Stravinsky's interwar works are "toying with serialism" before he moved back to the "representational" late works, such as ... ?
                              What a helpful response to an interesting thread. Look how clever you are!

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