Monday, 6th June The Cardinall's Musick/Carwood 7.30 R3

[DracoM]

Live from St.John's College Cambridge

Cambridge Summer Music.
William Byrd in the context of colleagues and friends. Byrd co-wrote the psalm setting In exitu Israel with Sheppard and Mundy.

Robert Parsons was Byrd's predecessor as Organist of Lincoln Cathedral and Alfonso Ferrabosco was an exotic spy-composer and both of them had an impact on Byrd's own compositions.

Thomas Tallis - Candidi facti sunt
Thomas Tallis - O salutaris hostia
William Byrd - O salutaris hostia
John Sheppard - Libera nos
John Sheppard, William Mundy & William Byrd - In exitu Israel
William Mundy - Adoloscentulus sum ego
William Byrd - Ad Dominum cum tribularer


Bit puzzled by the inclusion of Parsons and Ferrabosco in preamble given that the playlist doesn't include them, so maybe this playlist is incomplete........or???

[muticus]

I am intrested in the Mundy - I have two adolescents, and they both definately have some ego.....

[DracoM]

Erm............not sure I follow that?

[muticus]

Well.....what is the Munday called?

[DracoM]

Doh!

I was hoping there was some truly deep enigma to be revealed that I could learn from, and all I learnt was my own stupidity.
Which of course has its salutary dividend.

[muticus]

My apologies - as my children keep telling me - I should never inflict my sense of humour on anyone.....

I assume that the text is a setting of the psalm - 'From my youth up I have [kept thy commandments]' or something similar?

[Miles Coverdale]

I assume that the text is a setting of the psalm - 'From my youth up I have [kept thy commandments]' or something similar?

Psalm 119, vv. 141-4 to be exact. It's an unusual piece in that the opening works two points of imitation simultaneously, a technique which Mundy may have learned from Byrd. It also unusual because, unlike other psalm-motets which take their texts from Psalm 119, it doesn't set a whole eight-verse section.

[muticus]

Of course 'I am small and of no reputation' .... now you say that I think I have sung it, long ago and far away (and in translation) - probably in a bad edition by Fellowes or some other fellow. I seem to remember it being both rather difficult and rather beautiful.

[jean]

The spelling adoloscentulus is very odd - the root, meaning 'grow', is -esco, as in cresco (which gives us crescent, and that's how it's spelt in the Vulgate.

I googled it just to see what came up, and there were a number of hits - some relating to this concert, but others to one by the Tallis Scholars.

But the Cardinall's Music have just sung adulescentulus.

What's the explanation?

[Miles Coverdale]

The spelling adoloscentulus is very odd - the root, meaning 'grow', is -esco, as in cresco (which gives us crescent, and that's how it's spelt in the Vulgate.

I googled it just to see what came up, and there were a number of hits - some relating to this concert, but others to one by the Tallis Scholars.

But the Cardinall's Music have just sung adulescentulus.

What's the explanation?

The correct title is Adolescentulus sum ego.

[jean]

I know that - but why do so many people get it wrong?

[decantor]

The spelling adoloscentulus is very odd - the root, meaning 'grow', is -esco, as in cresco (which gives us crescent, and that's how it's spelt in the Vulgate.

I googled it just to see what came up, and there were a number of hits - some relating to this concert, but others to one by the Tallis Scholars.

But the Cardinall's Music have just sung adulescentulus.

What's the explanation?

The Present Participle adolescens (stem adolescent-) is used (even in classical Latin) as a noun meaning "a youth" (someone growing up, an adolescent). Adulescens is a common alternative spelling (cf. the Past Participle adultus = grown up = adult).

The suffix -ulus is a regular diminutive for nouns or adjectives. Thus adolescentulus might mean "a mere youth, a 'youngling'".

adoloscentulus is a typo - the second O should be an E.

Or perhaps that's not what you meant in asking the question?

[jean]

I know all that, thanks. But:

I googled it just to see what came up, and there were a number of hits - some relating to this concert, but others to one by the Tallis Scholars.

If I hadn't, I'd have assumed it was just a stray typo.

But look at all these:

http://www.google.co.uk/#sclient=psy&hl=en&rlz=1R2SUNC_enGB375&source=hp&q=adoloscentulus+sum+ego&rlz=1R2SUNC_enGB375&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=1931079e644ef47a&biw=880&bih=559

That's what I was hoping for an explanation for.

[DracoM]

And the concert........?

[jean]

Wonderful, of course. Apsrt from excessive clapping after every piece.

What did you think?