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[PJPJ]

As I am planning not to be involved with the forum for very much longer I can afford to speak out.

I'm really sorry to hear that and want to thank you for all you do, and that you do it so well, too.

[ahinton]

San Quirico d'Orcia is a lovely little town in the province of Siena

Then there's Saint Quercy in NE Catalunya, within a stone's throw of the French border...

[vinteuil]

Then there's Saint Quercy in NE Catalunya, within a stone's throw of the French border...

... I cannot trace this : can you provide further information?

The etymology of "Quercy" (as in the French region) is I think unrelated to St Quiricus.

" Etymologie du nom Quercy
Voici ce qu'écrit Michel Labrousse dans l'Histoire du Quercy (Privat, 1993, sous la direction de Jean Lartigaut) :
« Le Quercy tire son nom du peuple gaulois des Cadurques. Ceux-ci ne sont pas des autochtones. Comme les autres Celtes, ils sont venus d'Allemagne moyenne par migrations successives, du VIIIè au VIème siècle avant notre ère. Aristocratie militaire et politique, parlant un dialecte gaulois, ils se sont imposés par leurs armes de fer aux populations préexistantes.
Leur nom s'apparenterait à la racine gauloise cados = cadros, beau, et sa forme première reconstituée, cad-or-ci pourrait signifier "ceux qui vivent sur les bords d'une belle rivière", sans doute le Lot. Leur capitale Divona (Cahors) est, comme à Bordeaux et Divonne, le nom celtique d'une source divinisée. l'adjectif uxellos a donné Ussel et, en composition avec dunum, forteresse, Uxellodunum, la haute forteresse.»
Hypothèse confirmée par B. et J.-J.- Fénié dans leur Toponymie occitane (Ed. Sud-Ouest Université, 1997) :
« Le Quercy, territoire des "Cadurques", semble bel et bien formé sur cet ethnique :
Cardurci + suffixe latin -inus > Cadurcinum(m) >

Cadurcinu > Carcin > carcinòl ("du Quercy") »

Cahors, selon ces mêmes auteurs, était la cité des Cadurci (Civitas Cadurcorum, vers 400) devenue Cadurcum au XIème, puis Cauricio en 1200, Caours en 1259, graphiée Caurs en 1279. Quant à Figeac, son nom, comme celui de beaucoup de noms en -ac de la région, vient de Fidius, nom d'un homme gallo-romain, et du suffixe celtique -acos, latinisé en -acum, peut-être ancien propriétaire des lieux."

[Barbirollians]

I missed that this was in the Choir thread and was just about to fulminate about the fact that even the downloads of the BBC Legends Bruckner Barbirolli recordings have disappeared !

[eighthobstruction]

I imagine, sadly, zat zey rarely ave ze occasion.

....tee hee

[french frank]

I missed that this was in the Choir thread and was just about to fulminate about the fact that even the downloads of the BBC Legends Bruckner Barbirolli recordings have disappeared !

Gone. gone. All gone.

And having just looked up "Somerset towers" I see I have been under a misapprehension. Sts Q & J does not have a Somerset tower: they are much grander affairs. It's just a common or garden type of tower, though often seen in Somerset and possibly elsewhere for all I know. But they don't all have small medieval manor houses close by which are mentioned in Domesday. And it has Recumbent Effigies.

[DracoM]

... I cannot trace this : can you provide further information?

The etymology of "Quercy" (as in the French region) is I think unrelated to St Quiricus.

" Etymologie du nom Quercy
Voici ce qu'écrit Michel Labrousse dans l'Histoire du Quercy (Privat, 1993, sous la direction de Jean Lartigaut) :
« Le Quercy tire son nom du peuple gaulois des Cadurques. Ceux-ci ne sont pas des autochtones. Comme les autres Celtes, ils sont venus d'Allemagne moyenne par migrations successives, du VIIIè au VIème siècle avant notre ère. Aristocratie militaire et politique, parlant un dialecte gaulois, ils se sont imposés par leurs armes de fer aux populations préexistantes.
Leur nom s'apparenterait à la racine gauloise cados = cadros, beau, et sa forme première reconstituée, cad-or-ci pourrait signifier "ceux qui vivent sur les bords d'une belle rivière", sans doute le Lot. Leur capitale Divona (Cahors) est, comme à Bordeaux et Divonne, le nom celtique d'une source divinisée. l'adjectif uxellos a donné Ussel et, en composition avec dunum, forteresse, Uxellodunum, la haute forteresse.»
Hypothèse confirmée par B. et J.-J.- Fénié dans leur Toponymie occitane (Ed. Sud-Ouest Université, 1997) :
« Le Quercy, territoire des "Cadurques", semble bel et bien formé sur cet ethnique :
Cardurci + suffixe latin -inus > Cadurcinum(m) >

Cadurcinu > Carcin > carcinòl ("du Quercy") »

Cahors, selon ces mêmes auteurs, était la cité des Cadurci (Civitas Cadurcorum, vers 400) devenue Cadurcum au XIème, puis Cauricio en 1200, Caours en 1259, graphiée Caurs en 1279. Quant à Figeac, son nom, comme celui de beaucoup de noms en -ac de la région, vient de Fidius, nom d'un homme gallo-romain, et du suffixe celtique -acos, latinisé en -acum, peut-être ancien propriétaire des lieux."

Fascinating. Many thx.

[W.Kearns]

I believe Capel Curig in North wales is named after the Welsh version of Cyr/Quiricus.

Visiting Capel Curig a couple of months ago, I came across the very ancient chapel of S Julitta, mother of Cyr or Quiricus; sad to say, it was locked at the time. This S Julitta is, I believe, one and the same as S Julietta (note the 'e') of Tickenham, a village that is well known to me. Having a daughter called Juliet I like to visit churches dedicated to her name saint when the chance arises.

[BBMmk2]

French Frank I do hope you won't be relinquishing your position on this forum Your leadership here is truly inspiring for all of us.

[Alison]

What I've read on here recently doesn't begin to compare with some of the more malicious postings of yesteryear.

I echo BBM's #39.

[EdgeleyRob]

Thank you FF,all hosts and IT people for all your hard work behind the scenes.
This Forum is a wonderful place to be even though I do feel out of my depth at times.
I learn more on here than from any text book.
French Frank you will be sorely missed.

[Richard Barrett]

As I am planning not to be involved with the forum for very much longer

Thanks for all the work you've done. I think it's entirely natural not to want to go on doing a job like that indefinitely, it must be fairly thankless some of the time. Enjoy your retirement!

[Petrushka]

What I've read on here recently doesn't begin to compare with some of the more malicious postings of yesteryear.

Oh yes, I can remember some postings on the old BBC boards that were positively insane. This forum is a model of civilised behaviour compared with others one can find. Nevertheless, I read last night's childish contributions with a heavy heart, when at this time of year and on the 9L&C thread of all places, peace and goodwill was wholly lacking.

A couple of weeks ago my internet router went down for several days and I felt suddenly liberated from the tyranny of the computer and found again pleasure in doing other things. Perhaps the time is now right to scale it back and reduce my time on here and the computer generally.

FF has presided over the forum with a wisdom and understanding from which others, particularly those contributors who have proved a trial to her and the rest of us, could learn much.

[ahinton]

... I cannot trace this : can you provide further information?

Sant Quirze de Colera (sorry about mis-spelling earlier!); it can be checked out on Google maps.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Thank you FF,all hosts and IT people for all your hard work behind the scenes.
This Forum is a wonderful place to be even though I do feel out of my depth at times.
I learn more on here than from any text book.
French Frank you will be sorely missed.

Personally I find this uncertain future as distressing as 23rd June.