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  • Vox Humana
    Full Member
    • Dec 2012
    • 1248

    #16
    It wasn't a Choral Evensong, but a few years earlier a similar thing happened to the Clerkes of Oxenford. The Gloria of Cornysh's Magnificat has a series of rhythmically complex duets. A few bars in, David Wulstan apparently decided that the ensemble wasn't tight enough, so he stopped the choir and re-started the section. The engineers didn't edit it out. Nor did they when the programme was repeated some weeks (or was it months?) later.

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    • underthecountertenor
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      • Apr 2011
      • 1584

      #17
      There was also a recorded CE from Edington, some 20 years ago, in which one of the gents in the Nave choir made a mistake in a verse solo. At the end of the service the producer announced that he would be doing a couple of re-takes, much to the relief of the soloist in question....until it became clear that the re-takes were to be of the spoken parts of the service.

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      • Finzi4ever
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 584

        #18
        I'm not surprised this has become a popular thread...
        The cathedral (that didn't often broadcast) shall remain nameless, though it was long enough ago now for all those involved to have passed on (not over!). Wesley in E: all was well up to '& holy is his name'. Bass soloist 'And his- mercy..' comes in on the dominant instead of median and just keeps on going when you could hear the M. of the Ch. loudly humming the correct pitch to no avail. (they continued not to broadcast much afterwards either, until much more recently that is)
        What is it with basses and perfect intervals?:
        Opening of Gray in F minor - double choir, unacc, unison opening. Dec: 'My Soul' - perfect fourth; Can:'My soul, - perfect fifth and of we go...
        (not broadcast mercifully)

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        • ardcarp
          Late member
          • Nov 2010
          • 11102

          #19
          A couple of the above posts comment on clergy cock-ups. We expect (and get) a very high standard of accuracy from choirs and organists, but we frequently hear stumbles, if only slight, from clergy. I wonder why this is? One possibility is that singing a text makes for fluency. Apparently certain speech therapies for children, for example those with a pronounced stammer, involves getting them to sing (or at least intone) phrases. Is this an argument for re-instating the singing of the Creed? Or maybe, in line with past practices, for intoning the lessons?

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          • Dafydd y G.W.
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            • Oct 2016
            • 108

            #20
            Originally posted by Dafydd y G.W. View Post
            I have an idea the piece was Bach's Heut' triumphieret.
            A similar thing happened in the same era and that certainly did involve H.T. Not a broadcast, but the Ascension morning Sung Eucharist at S. John's, Cambridge. As it was the exam season the students were excused, so it was boys voices and an eminent church musician who had better remain nameless was assisting George Guest as accompanist in the absence of the organ scholars.

            Presumably he thought he knew Heut' triumphieret well enough to wing it. Result: another car crash in the opening bars and his only option was to start again.

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            • ardcarp
              Late member
              • Nov 2010
              • 11102

              #21
              It's not that difficult! Just a recurring motif (pom pom pa pa diddle dum pom) on the pedals.

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              • LeMartinPecheur
                Full Member
                • Apr 2007
                • 4717

                #22
                Originally posted by mopsus View Post
                The last uncensored expletive I heard on a live broadcast was during the televising of the Boat Race a few years ago, from one of the coxes.
                I recall a very fine uncensored expletive on In Tune c.6PM a few years ago, from Irish soprano Ailish Tynan. Can't recall what exactly, but it was a good strong one She did apologise.

                Mind you, it was her (self-)esteemed compatriot presenting IIRC, in which case she had every excuse IMHO...
                I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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                • Gordon
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 1425

                  #23
                  Croeso cynnes i Dafydd a'i Garreg Wen!! Rhyfedd bod #15 a #20 yn cyfri fel dy 7fed postyn!!

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                  • Nick Armstrong
                    Host
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 26523

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Gordon View Post
                    Croeso cynnes i Dafydd a'i Garreg Wen!! Rhyfedd bod #15 a #20 yn cyfri fel dy 7fed postyn!!


                    If that says "posts on this thread about cock-ups are off topic really, as they are not about being tempted to deliberate on-air naughtiness"... then I'd have to agree.

                    Unless we are saying the cock-ups are generated by subconscious temptation....
                    "...the isle is full of noises,
                    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                    • Magnificat

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Caliban View Post


                      If that says "posts on this thread about cock-ups are off topic really, as they are not about being tempted to deliberate on-air naughtiness"... then I'd have to agree.

                      Unless we are saying the cock-ups are generated by subconscious temptation....
                      When I put this thread up I was really wondering if any participants in live CE broadcasts had been tempted to make a naughty comment.

                      As for myself, I was in King's College chapel when it had no sound system ( has it got one now?) and could hardly hear any of the readings or spoken bits of the service at all and I almost shouted out " you can hear more of this bloody service at home than I can" but I lost my nerve!

                      VCC.

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                      • Keraulophone
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 1945

                        #26
                        We used to have a regular at the cathedral who was liable to behave oddly, mostly in a harmless way. He might balance hymn books on his head, sit under an umbrella, hand the conductor a banana during rehearsal, lie down across several seats, and so on. His chance to be heard on the radio came during a live CE broadcast, when, being knowledgeable about choral music, he chose the perfect place in Maurice Greene's quietly intense anthem Lord, let me know mine end, between the repeated piano phrases 'O spare me', to make an enourmously loud snore which did indeed come over the radio waves at a strong fortissimo. At subsequent broadcasts the vergers made sure he sat sufficiently far from the microphones. I last saw him a few years ago now, driving around a Tesco car park much too fast in an ancient 2CV with the roof open, loudly playing opera hits to other shoppers. He used to be a psychiatrist.

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                        • Serial_Apologist
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                          • Dec 2010
                          • 37602

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Keraulophone View Post
                          He used to be a psychiatrist.
                          You need to be mad to take up psychiatry, it used to be said.

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                          • Dafydd y G.W.
                            Full Member
                            • Oct 2016
                            • 108

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Gordon View Post
                            Croeso cynnes i Dafydd a'i Garreg Wen!! Rhyfedd bod #15 a #20 yn cyfri fel dy 7fed postyn!!
                            Diolch yn fawr iawn.

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                            • Dafydd y G.W.
                              Full Member
                              • Oct 2016
                              • 108

                              #29
                              Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                              It's not that difficult! Just a recurring motif (pom pom pa pa diddle dum pom) on the pedals.
                              Indeed, and I'm sure we've all been caught out by straightforward pieces if we're honest.

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                              • Finzi4ever
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 584

                                #30
                                Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                                It's not that difficult! Just a recurring motif (pom pom pa pa diddle dum pom) on the pedals.
                                with greatest respect, gulp, that's not the pedal rhythm of Heut' Triumphieret... think you're suggesting In dir ist Freude (BWV 615) in G

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