CE Salisbury Cathedral 25th May 2011

[DracoM]

CE Salisbury Cathedral


Order of Service:


Introit: Holy is the true light (David Halls)
Responses: Radcliffe
Psalms: 15, 16, 96 (Elgar, Musgrove, Harris)
First Lesson: Ecclesiasticus 2: 1-23
Office Hymn: Sing Alleluya forth ye saints on high (Martins)
Canticles: Jesus College Service (Mathias)
Second Lesson: 1 Timothy 6: 11-19
Anthem: Give us the wings of faith (Bullock)
Hymn: With the saints whose stories stir us (Regent Square)
Te Deum in C (Stanford)


Organ Voluntary: Fantasy on 'Babylon's Streams' (Harris)


Daniel Cook (Assistant Director of Music)
David Halls (Director of Music)

[ardcarp]

Another Te Deum as an add-on. Good plan in my opinion. Would other morning canticles be appropriate to round off a CE? With Mattins being such a rarity nowadays, it would be good to hear some of them...and not just by Stanford.

[mercia]

and not just by Stanford.

Howells CollReg Te Deum anytime you like

[DracoM]

Britten?

[mercia]

Britten?

[decantor]

Oh yes please - either Britten setting!

Statistics. The Te Deum has featured in seventeen broadcast CEs over the last five years, either as anthem or add-on. Five settings have featured twice - Stanford in C, Stanford in Bb, Britten in E, Elgar, and Sumsion; there have been single outings for Howells, Mathias, Rutter, Haydn, Britten in C, Anthony Pitts, and Mr Solemn Tone. Salisbury added on a Te Deum (Britten in E) to their service of November 2006, and they are now the first cathedral to have delivered this bonus twice within the five year period. End of geeky stats.

On to geeky Latin. The final line of the Te Deum (non confundar in aeternum) is better translated (IMHO) as "I shall never be confounded" - a fair conclusion for trust in the Lord. The standard rendering - "Let me never be confounded" - would have been expressed as 'ne confundar in aeternum', as St Nicetas (or whoever), but not his translator, knew well.

I promise not to do this sort of thing too often!

[mercia]

so, to turn it around, "I shall be confounded" and "Let me be confounded" would both be rendered "confundar"?

how odd

I haven't touched latin for 30 years

[mangerton]

so, to turn it around, "I shall be confounded" and "Let me be confounded" would both be rendered "confundar"?

how odd

I haven't touched latin for 30 years

c(irca) 45 years in my case, except when I helped my daughter with SCE Higher Latin. With my geek's hat on, and after a quick check of my Latin dictionary....

"confundar" can be either future indicative passive or present subjunctive passive. It's the "non" or "ne" respectively which make the difference.

So yes, you're right.

On a musical note, I can hear Haydn's setting of "non confundar" as I write this!

[ardcarp]

....I am so reminded of the 'Romans go home' sketch in Life of Brian.

Back to Te Deums. [Yes, it's an Anglicised plural.] Just dug out and played my Temple Church CD (The Majesty of Thy Glory) on which there is an excellent performance of Coll Reg.

[Magnificat]

Another Te Deum as an add-on. Good plan in my opinion. Would other morning canticles be appropriate to round off a CE? With Mattins being such a rarity nowadays, it would be good to hear some of them...and not just by Stanford.

I would like to hear the Benedicite in Advent or Lent.

VCC

[mangerton]

I would like to hear the Benedicite in Advent or Lent.

VCC

All 32 verses, complete with Ananias, Azarias and Misael? Not forgetting the Winds of God, of which we've had quite enough this week.

We still do that, in my choir, at the times you mention.

[colonial]

I would like to hear the Benedicite in Advent or Lent.

VCC

To hear one - just one!! - good romp through Naylor in G, neither heard nor heard about in 40 years, would bring a smile; as trebles we always looked forward to its annual 'outing'.

[Keraulophone]

Britten?

Hear it (and much more BB) on our April release on Regent Records. (Well-reviewed in current IRR, ClassicFM mag & Choir & Organ.) The CD is worth hearing for the main treble soloist alone! - IM(biased)O, naturally.

[decantor]

Hear it (and much more BB) on our April release on Regent Records. (Well-reviewed in current IRR, ClassicFM mag & Choir & Organ.) The CD is worth hearing for the main treble soloist alone! - IM(biased)O, naturally.

If you are referring to Regent CD 349, it gets well reviewed by me too. Magnificent stuff - and the splendid last track was previously entirely unknown to me. If you had a hand in it all, thanks and congratulations are in order. (No disrespect to the organist, but I would have preferred the Festival Te Deum to the Vittoria P & F.)

[DracoM]

Very nice.

Introit I could take ro leave.

Phew! Psalms taken at a heck of a lick, weren't they! But really positive and busy. But maybe just a tad of raucousness in trebles in the hymns I felt.
BUT
The Matthias canticles were expertly sung, lively energetic response to the punchy rhythms, good virile stuff from the men, and some beautifully pinged top notes at speed from trebles. Liked their tone too, young but with edge and confidence. All came together ina very jolly delivery of the Stanford Te Deum. As said upthread, we do need to hear more of such.

The Harris voluntary was a stormer!