Songs of Praise to get a 'makeover'.....

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

That music affects the emotions surely isn't news.

No, but this is more cynical. Those in favour of this psychological manipulation call it "the Holy Spirit". Others might call it the dominant 7th.

[jean]

You didn't answer my question, though - did that analysis you posted come from the charismatics themselves?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

You didn't answer my question, though - did that analysis you posted come from the charismatics themselves?

I try to find out. But judging from the style of language, I suspect not.

[jean]

I suspected not, too. Therefore the charge of cynicism doesn't really stand, does it?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I suspected not, too. Therefore the charge of cynicism doesn't really stand, does it?

When the chord structure is so blatantly formulaic, I think it does - coupled with what the St Michael-le-Belfry musician said about it all

[french frank]

I think perhaps one ought to be clear exactly what it is one is objecting to in the new style:

Is it that Songs of Praise should continue to reflect Anglican worship and not include a range of different Christian cultures?
Is it that only the Anglican musical tradition should be broadcast?
Is it that some of the proposed musical traditions are unworthy to be represented on BBC television?
Is it that some forms of worship are unsuitable to be included on BBC television?
Is it the programme's change to a magazine format?
Is it that one thought it was fine as it was and it didn't need to be changed?
Is it that one finds the new style personally unappealing and one won't watch any longer?

[Mary Chambers]

The last one, mainly, FF It has never been wholly Anglican, and there has been a magazine format - at least, there have been interviews - for decades.

I think for those of us who have grown up with traditional hymns and carols it is sad to see those pushed to the back of the queue, and replaced by what seems to me to be largely trashy music and words, often badly performed.

[french frank]

The last one, mainly, FF It has never been wholly Anglican, and there has been a magazine format - at least, there have been interviews - for decades.

I think for those of us who have grown up with traditional hymns and carols it is sad to see those pushed to the back of the queue, and replaced by what seems to me to be largely trashy music and words, often badly performed.

Sounds a bit like 3) as well: some of the proposed musical traditions are unworthy to be represented on BBC television

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Is it that Songs of Praise should continue to reflect Anglican worship and not include a range of different Christian cultures?
Is it that only the Anglican musical tradition should be broadcast?
Is it that some of the proposed musical traditions are unworthy to be represented on BBC television?
Is it that some forms of worship are unsuitable to be included on BBC television?
Is it the programme's change to a magazine format?
Is it that one thought it was fine as it was and it didn't need to be changed?
Is it that one finds the new style personally unappealing and one won't watch any longer?

The three in red - also forumites will have gathered that I'm not at all happy about the inward-looking style of worship of the happy-clappy sector.

[Gabriel Jackson]

Yes, and also Orthodox, I would think.

And Lutheran. It depends on how you define Eastern Europe how many Orthodox there are.

[Alison]

The three in red - also forumites will have gathered that I'm not at all happy about the inward-looking style of worship of the happy-clappy sector.

But then what's outward about men and boys in robes singing Canticles by Sumsion?

[Alison]

You are a bit out of touch Alpie. No self respecting charismatic would be heard dead singing Shine Jesus Shine!

[Alison]

The typical charismatic takes most of the Bible at face value with a particularly acute sense of the power and presence of the Holy Spirit. For them worship is an experience, an intimate encounter, which goes some way beyond just singing or playing a song. To stand stiffly, to be staid and look bored just isn't their way!

Mass hysteria isn't really a fair assessment. These guys would be just as happy worshipping in much smaller home or 'life' groups and many will do that as well.

[makropulos]

You are a bit out of touch Alpie. No self respecting charismatic would be heard dead singing Shine Jesus Shine!

I wouldn't argue with that. But – despite encouragement from me and the headteacher for them to look further –it's long been the top choice among my Sixth Formers for their Leavers' Mass at the end of the year, and hearing them sing it is quite a moving experience.

As for the new SoP, it's not really that different from many recent-ish programmes –we've had the magazine format on several occasions recently. And there was one singular exception: I saw myself on the bit from Leicester Catherdral ("Dear Lord and father of mankind"), so I'm distinctly biased :)

[Alison]

By the way I rather like it that the Anglican Church accommodates these different worship types.