Songs of Praise to get a 'makeover'.....

[amateur51]

Yep, indeed. That's why I said 'it's a Christian country'

And of course, the majority of the population share that cultural heritage.

George Orwell, would that you were alive at this hour!

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I was hoping for a reasoned response, not a childish remark.

So was I. There's lots of evidence. The services may be channelled to create a reaction within the congregation - deliberately controlling their emotions. Next to York Minster there is a smaller Anglican church - St Michael le Belfry - with a different kind of service "led" my an amplified music group. Some years ago I had a long conversation with a member of this group, who told me how they could "make" people sing "in tongues" by the use of certain harmonies and chord sequences. In other words, they were hyping up the congregation.

I think that classes as mass hysteria.

[Beef Oven!]

So was I. There's lots of evidence. The services may be channelled to create a reaction within the congregation - deliberately controlling their emotions. Next to York Minster there is a smaller Anglican church - St Michael le Belfry - with a different kind of service "led" my an amplified music group. Some years ago I had a long conversation with a member of this group, who told me how they could "make" people sing "in tongues" by the use of certain harmonies and chord sequences. In other words, they were hyping up the congregation.

I think that classes as mass hysteria.

Apart from your long conversation with 'a member of this group' some years ago, what are you basing your accusation of mass hysteria on?

Classes? yuck.

[french frank]

I'm sure I agree, but why vibrant?

'Full of energy and life' [definition]? Enthusiastic (or noisy!) congregations and large attendances (numbers dependent on where services are held)?

http://www.ivychurch.net/

http://www.destinyaogchurch.org.uk/

http://www.bristolpentecostalchurch.com/

http://www.romanianculturalcentre.or....php?id=61&v=1 (Romanian Pentecostals?)

http://www.elimbristol.org/

A selection in Bristol ...

[Pabmusic]

I actually meant that it's Christian country. In the same way that you said it's a Christian country.

We both agree that it's a Christian country.

Well, we're clear on that, then.

[Beef Oven!]

'Full of energy and life' [definition]? Enthusiastic (or noisy!) congregations and large attendances (numbers dependent on where services are held)?

http://www.ivychurch.net/

http://www.destinyaogchurch.org.uk/

http://www.bristolpentecostalchurch.com/

http://www.romanianculturalcentre.or....php?id=61&v=1 (Romanian Pentecostals?)

http://www.elimbristol.org/

A selection in Bristol ...

Obviously I know what vibrant means, but what I was really asking Jean was why, when talking about the Pentecostal Church, it was described as the vibrant Pentecostal Church. Of course I know that there is a 'happy go lucky' approach to some of the proceedings in these churches, but I wasn't sure if I was missing something from what Jean meant.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Apart from your long conversation with 'a member of this group' some years ago, what are you basing your accusation of mass hysteria on?

Classes? yuck.

To put it simply, here's a well-known "charismatic worship song".

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Do the Pentecostal churches celebrate Mass? "Communion hysteria"?

[jean]

Obviously I know what vibrant means, but what I was really asking Jean was why, when talking about the Pentecostal Church, it was described as the vibrant Pentecostal Church.

You know what vibrant means, but you don't know what it means...make your mind up and come back when you've reframed your question.

(I didn't mean mass hysteria or speaking in tongues, however.)

[Beef Oven!]

You know what vibrant means, but you don't know what it means...make your mind up and come back when you've reframed your question.

(I didn't mean mass hysteria or speaking in tongues, however.)

I think that you are deliberately trying to confuse me now!

I mean, we don't call it 'The miserable Protestant Church' or the 'Best Tunes Catholic Church', so why 'The Vibrant Pentecostal Church'?

That's all I meant. Forget it, if you like!

[jean]

To put it simply, here's a well-known "charismatic worship song".

This analysis was made by the charismatics themselves, was it?

That music affects the emotions surely isn't news. And if we felt that that was in itself something sinister, we'd banish music from worship altogether, as the early Puritans did.

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[jean]

I mean, we don't call it 'The miserable Protestant Church' or the 'Best Tunes Catholic Church', so why 'The Vibrant Pentecostal Church'?

Because there was a relative clause afterwards which further explained my statement.

I might have said the wretched Catholic church, which, when it does music at all, neglects its wonderful musical heritage in favour of stuff by the ghastly Paul Inwood.

[P. G. Tipps]

As for all those East Europeans, aren't they mostly Catholic?

Yes, and also Orthodox, I would think.

Mind you Catholic Churches have had their own happy-clappy services since the 1960s.

The whole western world, both secular and religious, seems determined to be part of a race to the cultural bottom in the name of trendy 'inclusiveness'.

However, I have long come to the conclusion there might be quite a lot to be said for the now thoroughly despised 'exclusiveness'. ...

[ardcarp]

#52 and the consecutive octaves????

[W.Kearns]

There's a particular issue around the BBC's effectively writing off its loyal audience in pursuit of a new one. Of course the old guard - many of them ageing Anglicans - feel hurt. They're being given the brush off. It may - possibly - make for better ratings but, all things considered, it's not attractive behaviour.