CE St Paul's Cathedral Wed, 2nd April 2014

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  • DracoM
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    • Mar 2007
    • 12986

    CE St Paul's Cathedral Wed, 2nd April 2014

    CE St Paul's Cathedral



    Order of Service:



    Introit: O hearken thou (Elgar)
    Responses: Radcliffe
    Psalms 83 & 84 (Watson; Parry)
    First Lesson: Jeremiah 13: 20-27
    Chorale: Ach, arme Welt du trügest mich (Brahms)
    Canticles: Noble in A minor
    Second Lesson: 1 Peter 1:17 – 2: 3
    Anthem: Warum ist das Licht gegeben den Mühseligen (Brahms)
    Hymn: There's a wideness in God's mercy (Corvedale)



    Organ Voluntary: Allegro, Chorale and Fugue (Mendelssohn)




    Simon Johnson (Organist and Assistant Director of Music)
    Andrew Carwood (Director of Music)
  • edashtav
    Full Member
    • Jul 2012
    • 3671

    #2
    My Choir will be using Maurice Bevan's Corvedale (There's a Wideness in God's Mercy) at its Lenten Evensong on Sunday week. I think its a fine example of 20th century hymn-tune writing. "Warum Ist" will bring back memories of singing it at the Bedford Festival a quarter of a centry ago.
    Last edited by edashtav; 28-03-14, 12:09. Reason: evensong was akin to evensnog

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    • ardcarp
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      • Nov 2010
      • 11102

      #3
      Maurice Bevan's Corvedale (There's a Wideness in God's Mercy)

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      • Keraulophone
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        • Nov 2010
        • 1967

        #4
        Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
        Rightfully No.1 in the St Paul's Hymn Book.

        When Truro broadcast Warum, there were murmurings about it being better suited to a mixed choir with female altos. Quite a challenging piece to bring off, either way, and good Lenten choice IMO.

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        • DracoM
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          • Mar 2007
          • 12986

          #5
          Reminder: today @ 3.30 p.m.

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          • ardcarp
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            • Nov 2010
            • 11102

            #6
            All unfolded at a suitably Lenten pace. What a ghastly lesson the Jeremiah passage is, all about lifting skirts; presumably likening Jerusalem to a whore. How very relevant to our daily lives. Oh well, the hymn didn't disappoint, and thank goodness for Mendelssohn's cracking Allegro!

            I know there is much rather 'ordinary' music in the Anglican canon which is nevertheless much loved. Unfortunately T.T. Noble's oeuvres don't fall into that category for me.

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            • DracoM
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              • Mar 2007
              • 12986

              #7
              NB Repeat next Sunday is at 5.30 p.m.

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              • DracoM
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                • Mar 2007
                • 12986

                #8
                What was fascinating about this service was the way engineers cope with extreme challenges of acoustic, distribution of forces, as well as changes to speaking / singing positions. Of course, St P's should be fairly familiar to the BBC and its agents - I imagine there are logged plans of microphone placement etc that get wheeled out.

                The engineers were to an extent helped in that much of the music was thickish textured, no exciting soaring intricacies as in late 15th century settings, no seriously challenging modern settings either. It was quite plump-sounding all round, even a bit middle-aged, nothing hurried - some might argue it was all a bit ponderous - until the final voluntary which suddenly made the whole place live.

                The days of John Scott's and Malcolm Archer's ways with treble training seem to have gone, and while the boys sounded more than respectably competent, in truth they had been given little material to stir the heart IMO, and it all sounded a bit, well, anti-climactic. Usual St P's men sound of recent years - big, pushy. 'this is our show' stuff, and of course, they are right - Brahms, Elgar both have beef to deliver, and the men certainly did.

                The Noble was very grateful on the ear too, of course.
                Last edited by DracoM; 06-04-14, 19:32.

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                • ardcarp
                  Late member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 11102

                  #9
                  The Noble was very grateful on the ear too, of course.
                  Not to mine, it wasn't....but that's nothing to do with St Paul's!

                  Ignoble in A minor
                  'effin Darke
                  B*******s in D

                  ...any more?

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                  • Magnificat

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                    Not to mine, it wasn't....but that's nothing to do with St Paul's!

                    Ignoble in A minor
                    'effin Darke
                    B*******s in D

                    ...any more?
                    ardcarp,

                    Of course the great BR would have made any of these sound the best thing ever written!!

                    VCC

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                    • Gabriel Jackson
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                      • May 2011
                      • 686

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Magnificat View Post
                      ardcarp,

                      Of course the great BR would have made any of these sound the best thing ever written!!

                      VCC
                      The sad thing is he thinks they are!

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                      • Triforium
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 147

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Gabriel Jackson View Post
                        The sad thing is he thinks they are!
                        Easy now, there is much to be said for singing whatever is in front of you with conviction and musicality. I have heard him say – ‘What is your favourite piece? It’s the piece you are singing now!’ I’m sure this extends beyond trusted standards to include contemporary commissions.

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                        • PeterboroughDiapason
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                          • Mar 2012
                          • 72

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Gabriel Jackson View Post
                          The sad thing is he thinks they are!
                          Don't really understand this. Can you explain?

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                          • mopsus
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 828

                            #14
                            Corvedale seems to be the standard tune now for 'There's a Wideness in God's Mercy' (the original first two verses of this hymn are long gone). In fact, I think the tune has helped to revive the use of this hymn. I'm a little sad to hear the sunshine edited out of the penultimate line, though.

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