Mahler 4 (i): is it 'about' anything ?

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  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
    Gone fishin'
    • Sep 2011
    • 30163

    #16
    It's the sleigh-bells (schelle) that sets the mood: any composer using these association-laden instrument must be expecting the audience to respond in a particular way - sleigh rides, christmas: he's playing with our expectations. So much so that the B minor-ness of the opening bars of this Symphony "in G major" is disguised. And B minor is an important "pointer" to the "alternative" Tonality of the work: E major (the Climax of the slow movement and the conclusion of the Symphony are both in this "other" key).

    So: a Symphony of sleights-of-hand, with immediate appearances disguising other realities - a(nother) Hoffmannesque world and with playful, optimistic sounds used to "express" dark, disturbing ideas. "Friend Henry", the skeletal soloist of the (C minor-F major-C major) Scherzo; the childish vision of Heavenly Life with which it concludes seems at face value a (?faux)- naïve depiction of how a young child would imagine Heaven; until it's realized that this child is speaking in the present tense. It's another "infant mortality" piece, like the Kindertotenlieder, or the boys greeting the soul of Faust in the Eighth ("he will teach us" they sing in delight). The reason why the child of the Fourth is so fixated on food is that s/he has starved to death: the Wunderhorn texts are full of this bleakean, Blakean juxtaposition of Innocence and Experience that reflected both Mahler's lifelong experience of childhood mortality and his psychological means of coping with such loss.

    The whole of the First Movement is a series of such juxtapositions of seemingly contradictory moods (carefree and sinister) culminating in the climax (fig 16 in the score): E minor juxtaposed with C major crunching onto a Db Major triad over the pedal G (a Tritone - the "diabolus in Musica" ) before the "pre-quotation" of the solo Trumpet opening of the Fifth (and am I the only one who hears a parody of Mendelssohn's Wedding March there?) that Petrushka mentioned. And then the insouciant "Recapitulation" that isn't really a Recap: the First Movement's seeming conformity to "Sonata Form" is another of its "sleights-of-hand", I think.

    AND mock-simple, "cheap"-sounding "modulations"; AND the Vienna Phil trying to sound like peasant instrumentalists; AND instruments contorting and cavorting at the extremes of their register. It's all mask with glimpses of the skull beneath the skin: probably the most joyfully nasty work in the repertoire!





    ... but then there's the slow movement ...
    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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    • Panjandrum

      #17
      Originally posted by Caliban View Post
      Ray of sunshine, as ever Panny!

      (Who's the cove in your new profile pic, btw?)
      I'm disappointed Cally in your inabillity to recognised one of German Romanticism's guiding lights. Now, surely you don't need any further clues?

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      • Richard Tarleton

        #18
        Originally posted by Caliban View Post
        Ray of sunshine, as ever Panny!

        (Who's the cove in your new profile pic, btw?)
        Calibs, its Weber (CM von)

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        • Richard Tarleton

          #19
          Originally posted by Panjandrum View Post
          I'm disappointed Cally in your inabillity to recognised one of German Romanticism's guiding lights. Now, surely you don't need any further clues?
          Sorry I clashed with the man himself

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          • cloughie
            Full Member
            • Dec 2011
            • 22120

            #20
            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
            ... but then there's the slow movement ...
            How do you like that served Ferney, Bruno Walter style or modern-style slow and langourous?

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            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
              Gone fishin'
              • Sep 2011
              • 30163

              #21
              Originally posted by cloughie View Post
              How do you like that served Ferney, Bruno Walter style or modern-style slow and langourous?
              Good question, cloughie. In general, Walter makes the movement "fit" into the Symphony as a whole, but Bernstein seduces me from my better judgement - as so often!
              Szell's my favourite but I also like Karajan's more than many critics seem to think might be good for me. Can't remember ever hearing Klemperer, whom I generally like in Mahler (the Seventh excepted) - Bessie Blackhead putting me off, no doubt.
              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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              • Nick Armstrong
                Host
                • Nov 2010
                • 26536

                #22
                Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                Calibs, its Weber (CM von)
                Thanks for the straight answer, Richard!
                "...the isle is full of noises,
                Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                • Richard Tarleton

                  #23
                  Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                  Szell's my favourite .

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                  • amateur51

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Panjandrum View Post
                    I'm disappointed Cally in your inabillity to recognised one of German Romanticism's guiding lights. Now, surely you don't need any further clues?
                    You saw him in Lidl only last week, I'm sure Panyan

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                    • amateur51

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                      Szell for me too. His recording was selected by a reviewer in Building a Library some time in the 1970s who spoke of Szell's understanding of the 'punctuation' of the first movement - the colons, and commas etc - so being a Mahler neophyte I bought a copy & fell in love from there on.

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                      • Panjandrum

                        #26
                        Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                        You saw him in Lidl only last week, I'm sure Panyan
                        Ams, I'm glad to say I have never seen a Lidl. It's obvious our social spheres have been widely different (with apologies to Oscar).

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                        • Beef Oven

                          #27
                          Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                          Szell for me too. His recording was selected by a reviewer in Building a Library some time in the 1970s who spoke of Szell's understanding of the 'punctuation' of the first movement - the colons, and commas etc - so being a Mahler neophyte I bought a copy & fell in love from there on.
                          Szell was my M4 of choice in the late 70s onwards and shares the turntable with Karajan/BPO/Mathis as of the 1980s.

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30286

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                            Thanks for the straight answer, Richard!
                            [Here's a little tip: drag and drop the pic on to your desktop. Open a Google search page and click on the Images tab. Drag the pic back into browser window and see what happens ...]

                            Back to Mahler 4 ...
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • Curalach

                              #29
                              Originally posted by french frank View Post
                              [Here's a little tip: drag and drop the pic on to your desktop. Open a Google search page and click on the Images tab. Drag the pic back into browser window and see what happens ...]
                              Thanks for that ff. You learn something new every day! As you say "Back to Mahler 4 ..."

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                              • Flay
                                Full Member
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 5795

                                #30
                                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                                It's the sleigh-bells (schelle) that sets the mood...

                                ...It's all mask with glimpses of the skull beneath the skin: probably the most joyfully nasty work in the repertoire!...
                                Your #16 was a very good contribution, Ferney. Was that spontaneous or have you previously researched it?
                                Pacta sunt servanda !!!

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