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  • Richard Barrett
    Guest
    • Jan 2016
    • 6259

    #91
    I don't like the recorded sound of the later Kubelík recordings (having listened to all of no.1 and some bits and pieces from the others), it seems very distant and unfocused when one of the most attractive aspects of the DG ones is that everything is so clear and finely balanced. So, a bit of a disappointment for me.

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    • LMcD
      Full Member
      • Sep 2017
      • 8402

      #92
      An outstanding Mahler 1st

      I've just discovered a truly terrific performance on youtube of the 1st symphony featuring one of my favourite orchestras, the Bavarian Radio Symphony. The playing is disciplined but emotionally committed throughout, and there are some outstanding contributions from individuals, especially the principal horn.
      An error occurred when I tried to post the link - anyway, you can google 'Mahler 1st Symphony Kubelik'.
      I hope you enjoy it!

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      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
        Gone fishin'
        • Sep 2011
        • 30163

        #93
        This one?

        Support us on Patreon and get more content: https://www.patreon.com/classicalvault --- Gustav MahlerSymphony No 1 in D major 'Titan'1 Langsam, schleppend2 Kr...
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        • LMcD
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          • Sep 2017
          • 8402

          #94
          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
          That's exactly what I keyed in....(?). Thanks, anyway!

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          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
            Gone fishin'
            • Sep 2011
            • 30163

            #95
            And thanks to you, too, LMcD. Kubelik is a great Mahler conductor, and his DG recording of the First has long been a great favourite. I shall look forward to watching him and the orchestra at work later.
            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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            • Petrushka
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 12232

              #96
              A favourite here too. I was lucky enough to see Kubelik and the BRSO in this very work (June 1980, RFH, London, coupled with Mozart 41). A treasured memory.
              "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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              • cloughie
                Full Member
                • Dec 2011
                • 22114

                #97
                His earlier VPO recording is also very good.

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                • BBMmk2
                  Late Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 20908

                  #98
                  Oh yes, I know that version very well indeed, the Bavarian RSO, that is. I think the best is the LSO, Solti.
                  Don’t cry for me
                  I go where music was born

                  J S Bach 1685-1750

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                  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                    Gone fishin'
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 30163

                    #99
                    Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                    His earlier VPO recording is also very good.
                    Doesn't that version have the (formerly traditional) cuts in the Finale? (Genuine question - I think I remember reading this, and never listening to the recording as a result.)
                    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                    • Dave2002
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                      • Dec 2010
                      • 18008

                      Originally posted by BBMmk2 View Post
                      Oh yes, I know that version very well indeed, the Bavarian RSO, that is. I think the best is the LSO, Solti.
                      Reviewers put Solti at the top of the pile, but that doesn't mean we all have to agree with them. Solti is good, but so is Kubelik. In one version at least Kubelik has some very jazzy sounding trumpets which as I recall slide around quite sleazily. Brilliant. I don't think anyone else does those passages that way. The Youtube video version looks like a live performance - with an audience that is - though there's not too much sign of an audience. I've not got to the end yet, so can't be sure.
                      It seems unlikely that a company would film a performance without an audience, but it's not completely implausible.

                      A small technical point - if I listen on my laptop (Apple MacBook Pro) the fans kick in and make a noise, but an iPod Pro doesn't add any such background.

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                      • Petrushka
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 12232

                        I've now had a chance to dip into this and judging from Kubelik's appearance I'd place it at round the same time as I saw him in the Mahler 1 as mentioned above.(ie 1979/1980).
                        Is there an audience present? It's worth noting that the Audite release was recorded in 1979.
                        "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                        • Stanfordian
                          Full Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 9308

                          Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                          I've just discovered a truly terrific performance on youtube of the 1st symphony featuring one of my favourite orchestras, the Bavarian Radio Symphony. The playing is disciplined but emotionally committed throughout, and there are some outstanding contributions from individuals, especially the principal horn.
                          An error occurred when I tried to post the link - anyway, you can google 'Mahler 1st Symphony Kubelik'.
                          I hope you enjoy it!
                          Kubelik with Symphonieorchester des Bayerischen Rundfunks recorded Mahler 1 live in 1979 on Audite and also in the studio recording in 1967 on DG. They were both recorded at Hercules Hall, Munich and although both accounts are admirable I prefer the live recording on Audite. Kubelik' s live recordings of Mahler symphonies on Audite is my first choice set, although it doesn't contain No. 4 it does have Das Lied von der Erde with Janet Baker and Waldemar Kmentt.
                          Last edited by Stanfordian; 11-08-18, 16:31.

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                          • BBMmk2
                            Late Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 20908

                            Somebody was saying last night on R3, that Mahler put in a quote from Handel’s Messiah? I think in the horns.
                            Don’t cry for me
                            I go where music was born

                            J S Bach 1685-1750

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                            • cloughie
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2011
                              • 22114

                              Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                              Doesn't that version have the (formerly traditional) cuts in the Finale? (Genuine question - I think I remember reading this, and never listening to the recording as a result.)
                              I think that was the two Kletzki recordings With the IPO and VPO. The original LPs suffered from splitting the third movement over two sides.

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                              • richardfinegold
                                Full Member
                                • Sep 2012
                                • 7651

                                Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                                I've now had a chance to dip into this and judging from Kubelik's appearance I'd place it at round the same time as I saw him in the Mahler 1 as mentioned above.(ie 1979/1980).
                                Is there an audience present? It's worth noting that the Audite release was recorded in 1979.
                                That was what I was thinking. Are we discussing the Audite recording that had it’s own thread a while back?

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