Mahler 1

[Stanfordian]

I've now had a chance to dip into this and judging from Kubelik's appearance I'd place it at round the same time as I saw him in the Mahler 1 as mentioned above.(ie 1979/1980).
Is there an audience present? It's worth noting that the Audite release was recorded in 1979.

It's a live recording with audience present, is it not.

[Petrushka]

Somebody was saying last night on R3, that Mahler put in a quote from Handel’s Messiah? I think in the horns.

It's probably more coincidence than quote, I feel, but the final horn peroration does sound like '...and He shall reign for ever and ever' from the Hallelujah Chorus.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

It's probably more coincidence than quote, I feel, but the final horn peroration does sound like '...and He shall reign for ever and ever' from the Hallelujah Chorus.

So, a reference to the Mendelssohn Octet finale, then, too?

[BBMmk2]

It's probably more coincidence than quote, I feel, but the final horn peroration does sound like '...and He shall reign for ever and ever' from the Hallelujah Chorus.

I heard that movement just to make sure, and yes,it is that. But what a quote!

[cloughie]

It's probably more coincidence than quote, I feel, but the final horn peroration does sound like '...and He shall reign for ever and ever' from the Hallelujah Chorus.

I think I agree with you about coincidence rather than quote, Pet. The Frere Jacque/ Bruder Martin ii the same symphony is a quote!

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I think I agree with you about coincidence rather than quote, Pet. The Frere Jacque/ Bruder Martin ii the same symphony is a quote!

- neatly put, cloughie.

[Barbirollians]

The 1979 Audite live doesn't pall on repetition . Downright terrific IMO .

As however are the live Barbirolli with the Czech PO .

[BBMmk2]

One I do enjoy, and included as part of it, the Blumine Movement, is the Tonhalle Orchestra, under David Zinman. Strongly recommended.

[cloughie]

One I do enjoy, and included as part of it, the Blumine Movement, is the Tonhalle Orchestra, under David Zinman. Strongly recommended.

[Conchis]

Klemperer was sceptical about this symphony, and never recorded it.

It is poised between Romanticism and post-Romanticism. Mahler was a 'tentative modernist' at this early stage of his career.

I enjoy it, but wonder as to its real quality. If Klemperer wasn't convinced by it, why should I be?

[visualnickmos]

One I do enjoy, and included as part of it, the Blumine Movement, is the Tonhalle Orchestra, under David Zinman. Strongly recommended.

Yes - I only very recently heard this recording. Mightily impressed, I was… I was particularly impressed by the way that Zinman really does make the Blumine movement actually 'fit in' and sound right - not like the oddball that it is!

[Bryn]

Klemperer was sceptical about this symphony, and never recorded it.

It is poised between Romanticism and post-Romanticism. Mahler was a 'tentative modernist' at this early stage of his career.

I enjoy it, but wonder as to its real quality. If Klemperer wasn't convinced by it, why should I be?

Well, for one thing, you are not Klemperer, and have a mind of your own to apply to the question of the work's quality.

As to BBMmk2 enjoying Blumine out of context (i.e. with the re-orchestrated movements from the Titan symphonic poem), why not listen to it in the context Mahler approved, that as part of the 1893 final 'Hamburg' version of 'Titan'? There are at least three recordings of that work now available, one even using a recent critical edition of the score. The re-insertion of Blumine, with its unadjusted instrumentation, between the first and second movements of the First Symphony, as Zinman and Norrington have done seems pretty much an insult to Malher's compositional decision. He left it out when 'Titan' was re-hashed as the First Symphony with due consideration.

[Barbirollians]

Klemperer was sceptical about this symphony, and never recorded it.

It is poised between Romanticism and post-Romanticism. Mahler was a 'tentative modernist' at this early stage of his career.

I enjoy it, but wonder as to its real quality. If Klemperer wasn't convinced by it, why should I be?

Because Bruno Walter was ?

[Barbirollians]

Well, for one thing, you are not Klemperer, and have a mind of your own to apply to the question of the work's quality.

As to BBMmk2 enjoying Blumine out of context (i.e. with the re-orchestrated movements from the Titan symphonic poem), why not listen to it in the context Mahler approved, that as part of the 1893 final 'Hamburg' version of 'Titan'? There are at least three recordings of that work now available, one even using a recent critical edition of the score. The re-insertion of Blumine, with its unadjusted instrumentation, between the first and second movements of the First Symphony, as Zinman and Norrington have done seems pretty much an insult to Malher's compositional decision. He left it out when 'Titan' was re-hashed as the First Symphony with due consideration.

Recommended on here the Hengelbrock is excellent.

[Conchis]

Because Bruno Walter was ?

He's my other favourite conductor. Sadly, between them, they didn't record a complete Mahler cycle.