Bruckner

[scottycelt]

I refer the honourable Forumite to my earlier link, in the hope that it will be the portal into the glorious world of, at least, the F minor Mass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydyt-g2yajc

ferney ...

The glorious, utterly DiVINE Benedictus from the F minor Mass ...

[JoeG]

I came fairly late to Bruckner but not as late as to Mahler who I have only begun to admire in the last 5 or so years. The difficulty is finding the time to listen to the symphonies but when one does there are huge rewards. Heard today's COTW at lunchtime and now catching up with Monday's on iplayer - wonderful! Most of mine are the Tintner Naxos recordings but a few others sprinkled amongst those.

I too struggle with his choral works but that is true of most composers for me with a few notable exceptions

[teamsaint]

I came fairly late to Bruckner but not as late as to Mahler who I have only begun to admire in the last 5 or so years. The difficulty is finding the time to listen to the symphonies but when one does there are huge rewards. Heard today's COTW at lunchtime and now catching up with Monday's on iplayer - wonderful! Most of mine are the Tintner Naxos recordings but a few others sprinkled amongst those.

I too struggle with his choral works but that is true of most composers for me with a few notable exceptions

Time is a genuine issue with Mahler and Bruckner. Especially if you work, finding time to listen properly is not always easy. i have abandoned Mahler 9 till the weekend.
IMO, work life balances need changing to accommodate these great composers!! I don't suppose the government see it that way !

[Roehre]

.....Like team, I've never really got into the choral works, apart from Helgoland which I utterly adore.

shame on you Scottycelt, as it is the composition of Helgoland which most likely caused the Ninth symphony being unfinished at the composers death

One of the view commissions Bruckner ever received, and for a commemorative work certainly not bad, and not too long either (well, the Te Deum lasts just around 25 minutes too).

[BBMmk2]

Don't think I've ever heard Chailly's Bruckner.... Very impressed with the slow movement from the 7th on CotW today, with the DSO.

Tempting old box this, some with the Concertgebouw...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bruckner-The-Symphonies-Anton/dp/B0000CESR7/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359578142&sr=8-1

...under £4 a disc...

Anyone know any of the performances, have any views?

Thank you for highlighting this Cali!!

[Nick Armstrong]

Thank you for highlighting this Cali!!

[Nick Armstrong]

So which recordings of which symphonies would Brucknerians nominate following their personal lifetime BAL analyses...

For example, No. 7. I find I only have two - Jochum/Dresden (in the EMI box) and Wand/NDR SO.

Does anyone have any views on that Wand/NDR recording? There must be some reason I bought it in preference to all the others...

[amateur51]

No, it isn't. Then (2004, repeated 2009 iirc) more interesting brucknerian trifles were included, including e.g. a wedding song for yodelling soprano, flute solo and horn quartet.

Do you have a recipe, please Roehre?

Heavy on the kirsch and cherries I imagine - mit Schlag natürlich

[amateur51]

So which recordings of which symphonies would Brucknerians nominate following their personal lifetime BAL analyses...

For example, No. 7. I find I only have two - Jochum/Dresden (in the EMI box) and Wand/NDR SO.

Does anyone have any views on that Wand/NDR recording? There must be some reason I bought it in preference to all the others...

Anything and everything (so even the truncated recording of the symphony no6 ) by Furtwängler plus Bruno Walter, Carl Schuricht, Eugen Jochum, KarlBöhm, Giulini, Haitink, Wand and Celibidache, for starters

Anyone know the expensive set by Volkmar Andreae?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bruckner-9-Symphonies-Anton/dp/B002A5ZLHU/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1359653971&sr=1-1

[BBMmk2]

Carl Schurict? Now there is a conductor whoi I havnt any of his recordings!!

[Roehre]

Do you have a recipe, please Roehre?

Heavy on the kirsch and cherries I imagine - mit Schlag natürlich

With Kirsch or Bratapfellikör (Apple schnapps that is) and of course chocolate

[Nick Armstrong]

Carl Schurict? Now there is a conductor whoi I havnt any of his recordings!!

I have one rather chilling one: his 1939 performance of "Das Lied von der Erde" in the Concertgebouw in October 1939 during which in a pause in the last movement, one hears clearly some woman shout "Deutschland über Alles, Herr Schuricht !!".... Apparently she walked up to the podium, shouted it, and then walked out... It comes as a real shock...

Oh.. and ammy, thanks for that incredibly expensive... errrr ...... sorry, comprehensive set of recommendations!

[JoeG]

Time is a genuine issue with Mahler and Bruckner. Especially if you work, finding time to listen properly is not always easy. i have abandoned Mahler 9 till the weekend.
IMO, work life balances need changing to accommodate these great composers!! I don't suppose the government see it that way !

Unfortunately I seem to have more work and less life at the moment - hoping to retire in time to hear my CD and LP collection through at least once!

[Demetrius]

Anyone know the expensive set by Volkmar Andreae?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bruckner-9-S...9653971&sr=1-1

not within my budget, I fear.
However, this thread triggered me to go for a reasonably priced cycle (my limit being 30 Euros). Thing is that there are several possibilities (classicsonline/amazon De/US/UK)

Karajan with the BPO (1-9, 17.49 Euros as download and 25.99 as CD)

http://www.amazon.de/Bruckner-Sinfonien-1-9-Karajan-Sinfonien-/dp/B001DCQI8W/ref=sr_1_72?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1359666551&sr=1-72

Barenboim with the Chicago SO (0-9, 27.99 as download)

http://www.amazon.de/Bruckner-10-Symphonies/dp/B005LYD41C/ref=dm_cd_album_bb

Barenboim / BPO (0-9, 12,49 Pounds as download)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sinfonien-1-9-Barenboim-Daniel/dp/B00076YOQ8/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1359676112&sr=1-1

Wand / Kölner Rundfunk SO (1-9, 21.36 as CD)

http://www.amazon.de/Bruckner-Sinfonien-1-9-Anton/dp/B0042U2HLY/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1359676162&sr=1-1

Jochum / Statskapelle Dresden on EMI (0-9, 20.97 as CD)

http://www.amazon.de/Sinfonien-1-9-Eugen-Jochum/dp/B00004YA0T/ref=sr_1_48?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1359666399&sr=1-48

" " on Brilliant (0-9, 20.67 Pounds as CD) - same performances?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bruckner-Symphonies-complete-Anton/dp/B000B7VZRO/ref=sr_1_47?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1359666399&sr=1-47

Tintner / Royal Scottish NO, Ireland National SO, New Zealand SO (00-9, 18.99 as download)

http://www.classicsonline.com/catalogue/product.aspx?pid=927450#

Inbal / Radio SO Frankfurt (00-9, 21.99 as Download)

http://www.classicsonline.com/catalogue/product.aspx?pid=1561142

and Paternostro / Würtembergische PO Reutlingen (0-9, 12.94 Euros/ 9.23 Pounds as CD)

http://www.amazon.de/Symphonies-Various/dp/B0027LZ4CE/ref=sr_1_14?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1359666250&sr=1-14

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Symphonies-Various/dp/B0027LZ4CE/ref=sr_1_14?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1359666250&sr=1-14

All more or less in the same price range. I have absolutely no concept of choosing. Would really like a gentle nudge or even a forceful push towards one of them, please!





also, stumbled upon this one: http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Symph...671158&sr=1-44

not what I'm looking for, but seems like an interesting collection of historic performances, and the one with 30 Dollars at least is not too pricey

(In a german - positive - comment they are listed as this:
Symphonie 0: Rozhdestvensky/USSR Ministry of Culture Orchestra 1983
Symphonie 1: Harold Byrns/RIAS Orchestra Berlin (probably actually G.L. Jochum) 1956
Symphonie 2: G.L. Jochum/Linz Bruckner Orchestra 1944
Symphonie 3: Knappertsbusch/Berlin Philharmonic (probably actually Bavarian State S.O.) 1954
Symphonie 4: Böhm/Staatskapelle Dresden 1936
Symphonie 5: Abendroth/Leipzig Radio Symphony Orchestra 1949
Symphonie 6: Swarowsky/Vienna Festival Orchestra (probably actually Scholz) ?
Symphonie 7: Schuricht/Berlin Philharmonic 1938
Symphonie 8: Furtwängler/Berlin Philharmonic 1949
Symphonie 9: Schuricht/Berlin Municipal Orchestra 1943)

[jayne lee wilson]

I only know these as CD sets, but would (just) take the Karajan/BPO over the fine Wand/Kolner Rundfunk one (I have both) simply because HvK is more evocative and poetic in the first 3 (I hate the 1889 version of no.3 though, you need a separate Cd of the 1873 original for that, Inbal, Tintner or Norrington). The remaster of the Wand cycle has better sound though and the 8th is just glorious.

The Naxos Tintner is an excellent cycle all-round and a very strong recommendation - but then you'll need to supplement it with the (more often played) revised 8th (lots of good ones...)

I prefer Barenboim in Chicago (GREAT 4th and 6th) to his later Berlin one, but my set is the Tower Records Japan edition, it may sound different from European releases..

I only know Inbal from the original version recordings of 3 and 8, but they're excellent.

It's difficult to make a single recommendation for a cycle; recent live releases on Profil of Wand and Haitink are very good indeed! I would say though, that a lossy Amazon mp3 download may not have sufficient quality to do justice to the power and beauty of Bruckner's orchestra. Do stick to CD (or lossless, cd-quality downloads) if you can.

Or... be adventurous from the start, and follow Mario Venzago's radical Bruckner re-imaginings on CPO!