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  • jayne lee wilson
    Banned
    • Jul 2011
    • 10711

    Originally posted by Bryn View Post
    What? Duck Duck Go it, surely?
    Oh you know, whatever it takes..... its a free virtual universe....way we're going might be a good thing if (real or virtual) it stopped expanding and collapsed back in upon us egocentric human animals just as soon as it can....

    "A Republic of Insects and Grass"..... maybe a Rabbit or a Squirrel or something....

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    • Richard Barrett
      Guest
      • Jan 2016
      • 6259

      Originally posted by rathfarnhamgirl View Post
      Believe it or not, I AM trying to make a serious point. I don't understand why it is apparently not possible to discuss a particular subject without regularly introducing vocabulary and concepts which at least some of us aren't familiar with and can't hope to grasp. While I'm always willing to learn, I don't necessarily want to have to jump over intellectual hurdles or through linguistic hoops before I feel I can make a useful contribution. I can only apologise if that appears unreasonable. (Perhaps I'm suffering from reductive infantilism, or, as we say in these parts, like to keep tings simple! )
      We all write the way we write, I don't think anyone is being wilfully obscure, and everyone's happy to clarify if something isn't clear. And everyone is always learning from the others here, I think, it's not about gratuitous displays of erudition or anything like that.

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      • Leinster Lass
        Banned
        • Oct 2020
        • 1099

        Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
        We all write the way we write, I don't think anyone is being wilfully obscure, and everyone's happy to clarify if something isn't clear. And everyone is always learning from the others here, I think, it's not about gratuitous displays of erudition or anything like that.
        May I just take time to thank everybody who answered, or attempted to answer, my innocent enquiry. As it's not at all clear where any further exploration on my part should start - dare I call it a running order? - and I wouldn't necessarily understand the reasons for any particular recommendation, I have concluded that I shan't actually miss much, if anything, by letting Anton proceed on his mystical, magisterial way without me. I shall head, more or less cheerfully, into the darkness without him.

        Might it be helpful - it won't matter to me, but it might be helpful for other potential Brucknerphiles - if the various knowledgeable contributors .
        to this lively and sometimes baffling discussion could agree among themselves as to which is the best symphony with which to start?

        I'm happy to admit that I probably wouldn't recognise a 'gratuitous display of erudition' if even if it stared at me, Larry David-style, until I twigged what it was.

        Sadly, I don't really have enough time to spend (waste) time googling every confusing word, phrase* or concept that crops up in some posts, and I must find time to continue to work my way through my book of (London) Times Cryptic Crosswords, which I find considerably less challenging - and then there's the Match Of The Day from Dublin at lunchtime

        (* Duck Duck Go It = ? - it's OK, I don't imagine I'll ever encounter it again, let alone use it)

        Apparently Roussel is worth investigating - well, at least he didn't write 11 lengthy symphonies!
        Last edited by Leinster Lass; 19-12-20, 08:31.

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        • Alison
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 6455

          I’d try the first two movements of 8 as a less than 45 min starter.

          Wonderful music.

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          • Bryn
            Banned
            • Mar 2007
            • 24688

            Originally posted by Alison View Post
            I’d try the first two movements of 8 as a less than 45 min starter.

            Wonderful music.
            Lovers of Holst's Mars might try jumping in at the final movement of that same symphony (whichever version).

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            • kernelbogey
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 5737

              (* Duck Duck Go It = ? - it's OK, I don't imagine I'll ever encounter it again, let alone use it)
              It's an alternative search engine: www.duckduckgo.com

              They don't mine your data.

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              • Pulcinella
                Host
                • Feb 2014
                • 10897

                Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                Lovers of Holst's Mars might try jumping in at the final movement of that same symphony (whichever version).
                Even one that includes Pluto?

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                • Bryn
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 24688

                  Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                  Even one that includes Pluto?
                  The "whichever version" referred to the Bruckner (and no version of Holst's The Planets includes Pluto).

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                  • Leinster Lass
                    Banned
                    • Oct 2020
                    • 1099

                    Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                    Even one that includes Pluto?
                    In views of its revised status, is it safe to assume that Pluto is written in a minor key?
                    I hope you haven't unwittingly triggered a debate on the order in which one must visit the heavenly bodies in question!

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                    • Pulcinella
                      Host
                      • Feb 2014
                      • 10897

                      Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                      The "whichever version" referred to the Bruckner (and no version of Holst's The Planets includes Pluto).
                      This one does, according to the front cover:

                      Holst: The Planets, Op. 32, etc.. Naxos: 8555776. Buy CD or download online. Claire Rutter (soprano) Royal Scottish National Orchestra, Lloyd-Jones


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                      • Ein Heldenleben
                        Full Member
                        • Apr 2014
                        • 6760

                        Originally posted by rathfarnhamgirl View Post
                        May I just take time to thank everybody who answered, or attempted to answer, my innocent enquiry. As it's not at all clear where any further exploration on my part should start - dare I call it a running order? - and I wouldn't necessarily understand the reasons for any particular recommendation, I have concluded that I shan't actually miss much, if anything, by letting Anton proceed on his mystical, magisterial way without me. I shall head, more or less cheerfully, into the darkness without him.

                        Might it be helpful - it won't matter to me, but it might be helpful for other potential Brucknerphiles - if the various knowledgeable contributors .
                        to this lively and sometimes baffling discussion could agree among themselves as to which is the best symphony with which to start?

                        I'm happy to admit that I probably wouldn't recognise a 'gratuitous display of erudition' if even if it stared at me, Larry David-style, until I twigged what it was.

                        Sadly, I don't really have enough time to spend (waste) time googling every confusing word, phrase* or concept that crops up in some posts, and I must find time to continue to work my way through my book of (London) Times Cryptic Crosswords, which I find considerably less challenging - and then there's the Match Of The Day from Dublin at lunchtime

                        (* Duck Duck Go It = ? - it's OK, I don't imagine I'll ever encounter it again, let alone use it)

                        Apparently Roussel is worth investigating - well, at least he didn't write 11 lengthy symphonies!
                        Simple Question and a simple answer - I would start with 4 (aka “Romantic”) or 7 . Might have said that in an earlier post.

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                        • Richard Barrett
                          Guest
                          • Jan 2016
                          • 6259

                          Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                          no version of Holst's The Planets includes Pluto
                          Or for that matter Eris or Haumea or Makemake or any of the other far-distant little worlds out there... enough for a whole new suite of Dwarf Planets maybe

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                          • Bryn
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 24688

                            Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                            Or for that matter Eris or Haumea or Makemake or any of the other far-distant little worlds out there... enough for a whole new suite of Dwarf Planets maybe
                            Nor, of course, the Earth.

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                            • Richard Barrett
                              Guest
                              • Jan 2016
                              • 6259

                              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                              Nor, of course, the Earth.
                              Definitely not intended as a footnote to Holst!

                              Richard Barrett - EARTH Matt Barbier, tromboneDustin Donahue, percussionwasteLAnd music : EARTHApril 6, 2015Los Angeles City College - David Alpert Hallwww.w...


                              Back to Bruckner - indeed Heldenleben's "simple" recommendation seems completely reasonable to me. On the other hand, of course it's true that many people have lived happy and fulfilled lives without ever encountering the music of Anton Bruckner, let alone taking it to heart.

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                              • EnemyoftheStoat
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 1132

                                Originally posted by Alison View Post
                                I’d try the first two movements of 8 as a less than 45 min starter.

                                Wonderful music.
                                Not disagreeing that it's wonderful music, but I'd recommend 6, as you'll get a whole symphony and only a few minutes longer - and the slow movement contains the nearest thing I can recall in Bruckner to a Mahlerian melody, like the sun breaking through alpine gloom, which turns into a restrained little funeral march for good measure. It's an AB that doesn't outstay its welcome and is relatively approachable.

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