Originally posted by Richard Barrett
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Originally posted by EnemyoftheStoat View PostNot disagreeing that it's wonderful music, but I'd recommend 6, as you'll get a whole symphony and only a few minutes longer - and the slow movement contains the nearest thing I can recall in Bruckner to a Mahlerian melody, like the sun breaking through alpine gloom, which turns into a restrained little funeral march for good measure. It's an AB that doesn't outstay its welcome and is relatively approachable.
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Originally posted by rathfarnhamgirl View PostDare you risk opprobrium (a word I discovered recently) by naming and shaming those that do?
Well, let's put it this way: even as one familiar with nos 3 to 9, I've found that my more recent forays into the unpruned earlier efforts (and original/earlier versions thereof) have taken more effort. Or maybe I've assimilated the later works over a much longer period; and let's face it, they get much more concert exposure, so while I've lost count of the number of times I've heard 3-9 in concert, I've only ever heard the others in recordings.
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Originally posted by rathfarnhamgirl View PostMay I just take time to thank everybody who answered, or attempted to answer, my innocent enquiry. As it's not at all clear where any further exploration on my part should start - dare I call it a running order? - and I wouldn't necessarily understand the reasons for any particular recommendation, I have concluded that I shan't actually miss much, if anything, by letting Anton proceed on his mystical, magisterial way without me. I shall head, more or less cheerfully, into the darkness without him.
Might it be helpful - it won't matter to me, but it might be helpful for other potential Brucknerphiles - if the various knowledgeable contributors .
to this lively and sometimes baffling discussion could agree among themselves as to which is the best symphony with which to start?
I'm happy to admit that I probably wouldn't recognise a 'gratuitous display of erudition' if even if it stared at me, Larry David-style, until I twigged what it was.
Sadly, I don't really have enough time to spend (waste) time googling every confusing word, phrase* or concept that crops up in some posts, and I must find time to continue to work my way through my book of (London) Times Cryptic Crosswords, which I find considerably less challenging - and then there's the Match Of The Day from Dublin at lunchtime
(* Duck Duck Go It = ? - it's OK, I don't imagine I'll ever encounter it again, let alone use it)
Apparently Roussel is worth investigating - well, at least he didn't write 11 lengthy symphonies!
As for Roussel.... as a Roussel obsessive I can only say: don't get me started! But since I'm here: go for Symphonies 3&4 plus the ballets: The Spider's Feast (yes, a ballet about insects) and Bacchus et Ariane....
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Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View PostWell, this may confuse even more but I would still say - start with the Bruckner 1 - that addictive catchy opening (so reminiscent of Schubert's 9th (ii), andante con moto, you know that one?) - should get you going.....No.1 is around 45 minutes and utterly self-contained.
As for Roussel.... as a Roussel obsessive I can only say: don't get me started! But since I'm here: go for Symphonies 3&4 plus the ballets: The Spider's Feast (yes, a ballet about insects) and Bacchus et Ariane....
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Originally posted by cloughie View PostCommiserations gurn, nothing much anyone can say that will make it better!
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Originally posted by rathfarnhamgirl View PostMay I just take time to thank everybody who answered, or attempted to answer, my innocent enquiry. As it's not at all clear where any further exploration on my part should start - dare I call it a running order? - and I wouldn't necessarily understand the reasons for any particular recommendation, I have concluded that I shan't actually miss much, if anything, by letting Anton proceed on his mystical, magisterial way without me. I shall head, more or less cheerfully, into the darkness without him.
Might it be helpful - it won't matter to me, but it might be helpful for other potential Brucknerphiles - if the various knowledgeable contributors .
to this lively and sometimes baffling discussion could agree among themselves as to which is the best symphony with which to start?
Having said all that, it’s also fine to have a blind spot for a particular composer. Puccini leaves me cold despite a lot of exposure over the years. My loss I’m sure.
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Originally posted by rathfarnhamgirl View PostPerhaps somebody could kindly produce and update a league table reflecting the latest recommendations for where to start one's Great Bruckner Trek?
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Originally posted by cloughie View PostTake 11 small pieces of paper or card, write the name of a symphony on each and then select your favourite hat, place the cards in the chosen hat and then draw one out and throw it away - do this ten times until there is one left - then with the last one - read it out and this symphony is the specially chosen one to start the AB journey. Listen and learn - any difficulties encountered, anything yo7 need to know - just ask Jayne!
Re # 373 (just for the record) - I have heard all of Nos. 0, 4 and 6 to 9 more than once over the years and attended a performance of No. 4 in the Royal Festival Hall London many years ago.Last edited by Leinster Lass; 19-12-20, 21:41.
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