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  • Bryn
    Banned
    • Mar 2007
    • 24688

    Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
    Definitely not intended as a footnote to Holst!

    Richard Barrett - EARTH Matt Barbier, tromboneDustin Donahue, percussionwasteLAnd music : EARTHApril 6, 2015Los Angeles City College - David Alpert Hallwww.w...


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    I lob 'em up. You smash 'em back across the net.

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    • Leinster Lass
      Banned
      • Oct 2020
      • 1099

      Originally posted by EnemyoftheStoat View Post
      Not disagreeing that it's wonderful music, but I'd recommend 6, as you'll get a whole symphony and only a few minutes longer - and the slow movement contains the nearest thing I can recall in Bruckner to a Mahlerian melody, like the sun breaking through alpine gloom, which turns into a restrained little funeral march for good measure. It's an AB that doesn't outstay its welcome and is relatively approachable.
      Dare you risk opprobrium (a word I discovered recently) by naming and shaming those that do?

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      • EnemyoftheStoat
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 1132

        Originally posted by rathfarnhamgirl View Post
        Dare you risk opprobrium (a word I discovered recently) by naming and shaming those that do?
        Now we're in dangerous territory.

        Well, let's put it this way: even as one familiar with nos 3 to 9, I've found that my more recent forays into the unpruned earlier efforts (and original/earlier versions thereof) have taken more effort. Or maybe I've assimilated the later works over a much longer period; and let's face it, they get much more concert exposure, so while I've lost count of the number of times I've heard 3-9 in concert, I've only ever heard the others in recordings.

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        • jayne lee wilson
          Banned
          • Jul 2011
          • 10711

          Originally posted by rathfarnhamgirl View Post
          May I just take time to thank everybody who answered, or attempted to answer, my innocent enquiry. As it's not at all clear where any further exploration on my part should start - dare I call it a running order? - and I wouldn't necessarily understand the reasons for any particular recommendation, I have concluded that I shan't actually miss much, if anything, by letting Anton proceed on his mystical, magisterial way without me. I shall head, more or less cheerfully, into the darkness without him.

          Might it be helpful - it won't matter to me, but it might be helpful for other potential Brucknerphiles - if the various knowledgeable contributors .
          to this lively and sometimes baffling discussion could agree among themselves as to which is the best symphony with which to start?

          I'm happy to admit that I probably wouldn't recognise a 'gratuitous display of erudition' if even if it stared at me, Larry David-style, until I twigged what it was.

          Sadly, I don't really have enough time to spend (waste) time googling every confusing word, phrase* or concept that crops up in some posts, and I must find time to continue to work my way through my book of (London) Times Cryptic Crosswords, which I find considerably less challenging - and then there's the Match Of The Day from Dublin at lunchtime

          (* Duck Duck Go It = ? - it's OK, I don't imagine I'll ever encounter it again, let alone use it)

          Apparently Roussel is worth investigating - well, at least he didn't write 11 lengthy symphonies!
          Well, this may confuse even more but I would still say - start with the Bruckner 1 - that addictive catchy opening (so reminiscent of Schubert's 9th (ii), andante con moto, you know that one?) - should get you going.....No.1 is around 45 minutes and utterly self-contained.

          As for Roussel.... as a Roussel obsessive I can only say: don't get me started! But since I'm here: go for Symphonies 3&4 plus the ballets: The Spider's Feast (yes, a ballet about insects) and ​Bacchus et Ariane....

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          • Leinster Lass
            Banned
            • Oct 2020
            • 1099

            Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
            Well, this may confuse even more but I would still say - start with the Bruckner 1 - that addictive catchy opening (so reminiscent of Schubert's 9th (ii), andante con moto, you know that one?) - should get you going.....No.1 is around 45 minutes and utterly self-contained.

            As for Roussel.... as a Roussel obsessive I can only say: don't get me started! But since I'm here: go for Symphonies 3&4 plus the ballets: The Spider's Feast (yes, a ballet about insects) and ​Bacchus et Ariane....
            It's OK, thanks, Jayne, I've already ordered the Erato Roussel Edition as recommended by other Forum members.

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            • cloughie
              Full Member
              • Dec 2011
              • 22115

              It’s official Jayne’s favourite today is 7 (seven)

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              • gurnemanz
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 7381

                Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                It’s official Jayne’s favourite today is 7 (seven)
                Not interested.

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                • cloughie
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2011
                  • 22115

                  Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                  Not interested.
                  Commiserations gurn, nothing much anyone can say that will make it better!

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                  • gurnemanz
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 7381

                    Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                    Commiserations gurn, nothing much anyone can say that will make it better!
                    Feared the worst. Only good thing was that I didn't see it. We met up with our daughter and partner down from London for outdoor pub lunch and present exchange. Good thing we got it in before latest clampdown.

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                    • Alison
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 6455

                      So no votes to start with 2, 3, 5 or 9! Or O.

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                      • cloughie
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2011
                        • 22115

                        Originally posted by Alison View Post
                        So no votes to start with 2, 3, 5 or 9! Or O.
                        If starting all over again possibly Gunter Wand’s 5!

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                        • Leinster Lass
                          Banned
                          • Oct 2020
                          • 1099

                          Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                          If starting all over again possibly Gunter Wand’s 5!
                          Perhaps somebody could kindly produce and update a league table reflecting the latest recommendations for where to start one's Great Bruckner Trek?

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                          • duncan
                            Full Member
                            • Apr 2012
                            • 246

                            Originally posted by rathfarnhamgirl View Post
                            May I just take time to thank everybody who answered, or attempted to answer, my innocent enquiry. As it's not at all clear where any further exploration on my part should start - dare I call it a running order? - and I wouldn't necessarily understand the reasons for any particular recommendation, I have concluded that I shan't actually miss much, if anything, by letting Anton proceed on his mystical, magisterial way without me. I shall head, more or less cheerfully, into the darkness without him.

                            Might it be helpful - it won't matter to me, but it might be helpful for other potential Brucknerphiles - if the various knowledgeable contributors .
                            to this lively and sometimes baffling discussion could agree among themselves as to which is the best symphony with which to start?
                            I came to Bruckner relatively late in life and via live performances. Those brass outbursts followed by pauses... make sense in a big echoing acoustic like a cathedral or the Albert Hall. Bruckner symphonies are the antithesis of background music and really don’t work for me unless I’m paying full attention. I can completely see how you wouldn’t be grabbed half-listening to a radio broadcast. I’d also suggest starting with number 7 and give it two or three proper listens.

                            Having said all that, it’s also fine to have a blind spot for a particular composer. Puccini leaves me cold despite a lot of exposure over the years. My loss I’m sure.

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                            • cloughie
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2011
                              • 22115

                              Originally posted by rathfarnhamgirl View Post
                              Perhaps somebody could kindly produce and update a league table reflecting the latest recommendations for where to start one's Great Bruckner Trek?
                              Take 11 small pieces of paper or card, write the name of a symphony on each and then select your favourite hat, place the cards in the chosen hat and then draw one out and throw it away - do this ten times until there is one left - then with the last one - read it out and this symphony is the specially chosen one to start the AB journey. Listen and learn - any difficulties encountered, anything yo7 need to know - just ask Jayne!

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                              • Leinster Lass
                                Banned
                                • Oct 2020
                                • 1099

                                Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                                Take 11 small pieces of paper or card, write the name of a symphony on each and then select your favourite hat, place the cards in the chosen hat and then draw one out and throw it away - do this ten times until there is one left - then with the last one - read it out and this symphony is the specially chosen one to start the AB journey. Listen and learn - any difficulties encountered, anything yo7 need to know - just ask Jayne!
                                ... with Rudy Giuliani acting as arbitrator when disputes arise (which they will, I would think).
                                Re # 373 (just for the record) - I have heard all of Nos. 0, 4 and 6 to 9 more than once over the years and attended a performance of No. 4 in the Royal Festival Hall London many years ago.
                                Last edited by Leinster Lass; 19-12-20, 21:41.

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