Bruckner at the footie?

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Yes, I love the Sixth, too and have treasured memories of concerts by the Hallé/Loughran and Philharmonia/Salonen which included it. The ending of the slow Movement, with its gentle meld of regret, acceptance and gratitude isn't something that would've occured to Mahler (in the same way that the slow movement of his Sixth wouldn't've occured to Bruckner: two minds completely of themselves and no other).
Klemperer is a long favourite of mine (I also had an off-air Live performance which was even more exultant: a curse on Removal Firms!) and Davis (and Karajan and Barenboim are exceptionally good, too, in the middle two Movements) but best of all is Norrington - to my surprise and delight, as I don't normally respond positively to his ideas.

This symphony is a pure and utter joy!

[jayne lee wilson]

"Regret, acceptance and gratitude"...

...but fhg, isn't Mahler's 10th, unfinished, and so far out on an emotional limb, about exactly those things - about finding a balance between them? About an understanding that love and death involve all those things? Isn't that why it's so important to hear the "performing version of the sketch", because it tells us that he had moved on from the 9th, even beyond "the death instinct beyond the pleasure principle"?

I think Eugen Jochum remarked that the 6th was unusual, and tricky to perform, in that its main climax comes at the end of the first movement... and what a coda it is, as Tovey describes it, "passing from key to key beneath a tumultuous surface sparkling like the homeric seas..."

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

"Regret, acceptance and gratitude"...

Ouch! You've added a capital letter and omitted the key epithet "gentle", which I think is the key difference between Ant and Gus.

...but fhg, isn't Mahler's 10th, unfinished, and so far out on an emotional limb, about exactly those things - about finding a balance between them? About an understanding that love and death involve all those things? Isn't that why it's so important to hear the "performing version of the sketch", because it tells us that he had moved on from the 9th, even beyond "the death instinct beyond the pleasure principle"?

Yup (to all these points) - but would you describe the concluding resonant acceptance at the end of the Mahler (in any of the performing versions) as "gentle"? (Or, perhaps, "gentle in the same way that the conclusion of the Slow Movement of Bruckner's Sixth is"? "Noble", "stoic", even "defiant" perhaps more than "gentle"? (Mahler gets closer in the slow movement of his Sixth to what Bruckner does in his, I think: but it's so different, even so.)

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Incidentally, Bruckner's utterly joyful Sixth Symphony can be heard in next Monday Evening's concert (after the orchestra has had its Half-Time oranges): the BBC Phil conducted by Juanjo Mena (of whom I've not heard before).

(Haydn and Beethoven in the first of this game of two halves.)

[EdgeleyRob]

Incidentally, Bruckner's utterly joyful Sixth Symphony can be heard in next Monday Evening's concert (after the orchestra has had its Half-Time oranges): the BBC Phil conducted by Juanjo Mena (of whom I've not heard before).

(Haydn and Beethoven in the first of this game of two halves.)

Plays up front for River Plate.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Plays up front for River Plate.

Surely just a vicious rumour spread by his enemies ... ?

[AjAjAjH]

Juanjo Mena has been Chief conductor of the BBC Phil for the last year. I've heard him conduct fine performances of Bruckner's 6th and 7th Symphonies. In September last year he conducted what was for me the greatest performance of Mahler's 'Resurrection' Symphony that I have ever heard (and I've heard several great performances).

I'm looking forward to his Wagner concert and his Bruckner 9 next season.

[jayne lee wilson]

Ouch! You've added a capital letter and omitted the key epithet "gentle", which I think is the key difference between Ant and Gus.



Yup (to all these points) - but would you describe the concluding resonant acceptance at the end of the Mahler (in any of the performing versions) as "gentle"? (Or, perhaps, "gentle in the same way that the conclusion of the Slow Movement of Bruckner's Sixth is"? "Noble", "stoic", even "defiant" perhaps more than "gentle"? (Mahler gets closer in the slow movement of his Sixth to what Bruckner does in his, I think: but it's so different, even so.)

Yes, fhg, sorry, 'twas late and blear (as usual), and I missed your important qualifier there...
"Any of the performing versions" of Mahler 10? There's only one!

How hard it can be to describe a moment of musical emotion... the end of Mahler 10... to live for you, to die for you... is it a final cry of joy and love, even as life fades quickly? Agony and release, gratitude, and acceptance, perhaps...

I always feel the andante of Mahler 6 is the most heartbreaking expression of that universal emotion, found in all musical genres, of "if only it could be like this..." We know it can't even before the finale begins. And I still find it almost unbearable.

[3rd Viennese School]

At the end of the World Cup once on the idiot box they played the end of Bruckner 4.

One of the most unconvincing endings to a symphony I have ever heard apart from Brahms 3!

3VS

[3rd Viennese School]

Just played white strips seven nation army on you tube and it does has the first 6 notes of Bruckner 5 theme!

The video keeps pausing so its lasting as long as the Bruckner symphony as well!

3VS