Bruckner: favourite symphony cycle/boxed set

[cloughie]

I cannot help directly, except to note that Warner say nothing about remastering in their promotion of the most recent manifestation. However, the Jochum Icon set, issued 2012, does offer remastering dates as follows:

1. 2000
2. 2000
3. 1995
4. 2000
5. 1990
6. 1998
7. 1995
8. 2000
9. 2000

Purely guesswork but the first EMI boxed set was 1990 so the remastered dates above probably show the latest remasterings which were probably done for the EMI forte reissues in the 90s. It would appear that there were, in addition to the ICON set of 2012, there are Warner reissued sets in 2013 and 2020.

[Bryn]

Can anyone with the latest Warner incarnation of the Jochum Dresden cycle give me any remastering details please? I keep seeing people referred to the 'newly-remastered sound' or what an improvement the new box is over its predecessor incarnations, but nowhere on the packaging as seen online can I see any reference to the cycle having been remastered. Warner don't usually hide their light under a bushel and blare loudly about a set being 'remastered from the original tapes' etc...

I cannot help directly, except to note that Warner say nothing about remastering in their promotion of the most recent manifestation. However, the Jochum Icon set, issued 2012, does offer remastering dates as follows:

1. 2000
2. 2000
3. 1995
4. 2000
5. 1990
6. 1998
7. 1995
8. 2000
9. 2000

[HighlandDougie]

Thanks you’ve answered the file size question I was about to post - presumably no problem storing on a LaCie drive formatted for Mac ?
You are right about the Qubuz search engine . It makes a difference putting in VPO, Vienna Philharmonic, Weiner Philharmoniker. I’ve even put exactly the same search words in the app and in the browser and come up with different results. For some reason Christian Thielmann often comes up what ever I put in making me wonder whether there’s a bit of disguised sponsorship going on ...

I downloaded the files onto my MacBook Pro without any problem. Macs use APFS - neither of the standard Windows formats (NTFS or ex-FAT) are recommended for Mac OS, unless you have partitioned your disk to run Mac OS and Windows. In the case of the latter, NTFS in my limited experience was less problematic than FAT. Anyway, the files are backed up on a LaCie external disk - and are also stored on the Aurender N100. Even more O/T, I noticed that 7 Digital is offering a newish release of Abbado and the BPO's performance of the Mahler 10 Adagio from the Mahler centenary concert in 2011. Alas, no Das Lied von der Erde yet from the same concert but £1.19 for the hi-res FLAC doesn't seem a lot to pay. See:

https://uk.7digital.com/yourmusic/artist/berliner-philharmoniker-and-claudio-abbado/release/mahler-symphony-no-10-14797499/14797499

[Bryn]

Thanks you’ve answered the file size question I was about to post - presumably no problem storing on a LaCie drive formatted for Mac ?
You are right about the Qubuz search engine . It makes a difference putting in VPO, Vienna Philharmonic, Weiner Philharmoniker. I’ve even put exactly the same search words in the app and in the browser and come up with different results. For some reason Christian Thielmann often comes up what ever I put in making me wonder whether there’s a bit of disguised sponsorship going on ...

Sorry, I know nothing about Mac formats. On Windows, one needs an NTFS or ex-FAT formatted drive. Try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h30HBYxtws for info.

[Ein Heldenleben]

If one has a QOBUZ streaming account, the booklet pdf is freely downloadable without downloading the recording (the QOBUZ download prices is much higher than those at 7 Digital). The QOBUZ search engine is very flaky. Try https://play.qobuz.com/album/vebn5cjaxfhic and click on the open book icon, once logged in.

A word of warning re the 7 Digital 48/34 zip download. Do not try downloading to FAT 32 formatted drive. The zip occupies 5.5GB, over the FAT 32 limit of 4GB.

Thanks you’ve answered the file size question I was about to post - presumably no problem storing on a LaCie drive formatted for Mac ?
You are right about the Qubuz search engine . It makes a difference putting in VPO, Vienna Philharmonic, Weiner Philharmoniker. I’ve even put exactly the same search words in the app and in the browser and come up with different results. For some reason Christian Thielmann often comes up what ever I put in making me wonder whether there’s a bit of disguised sponsorship going on ...

[Bryn]

1 Ozawa 2009; 2 Järvi 2019; 3 Blomstedt 2017; 4 Haitink 2014; 5 Haitink 2011; 6 Jansons 2018; 7 Thielemann 2016; 8 Mehta 2012; 9 Rattle 2018

One downside of the 7 Digital cheap-as-chips downloads is that you don’t get the notes etc (or not so that I could find) but they are a lot cheaper than buying them from the BPO site. And there is the estimable Berlin Philharmonic Digital Concert Archive if you want exact dates of the performances.

If one has a QOBUZ streaming account, the booklet pdf is freely downloadable without downloading the recording (the QOBUZ download prices is much higher than those at 7 Digital). The QOBUZ search engine is very flaky. Try https://play.qobuz.com/album/vebn5cjaxfhic and click on the open book icon, once logged in.

A word of warning re the 7 Digital 48/24 zip download. Do not try downloading to FAT 32 formatted drive. The zip occupies 5.5GB, over the FAT 32 limit of 4GB.

[HighlandDougie]

Could my famed site navigation skills, but how can you tell who is playing what, and when?

1 Ozawa 2009; 2 Järvi 2019; 3 Blomstedt 2017; 4 Haitink 2014; 5 Haitink 2011; 6 Jansons 2018; 7 Thielemann 2016; 8 Mehta 2012; 9 Rattle 2018

One downside of the 7 Digital cheap-as-chips downloads is that you don’t get the notes etc (or not so that I could find) but they are a lot cheaper than buying them from the BPO site. And there is the estimable Berlin Philharmonic Digital Concert Archive if you want exact dates of the performances.

[Loathecliff]

Not sure how you feel about downloads - there are people on this forum who don't seem to want to touch them with the proverbial barge-pole - but the BPO Bruckner cycle is available for a pittance as below:

https://uk.7digital.com/artist/berliner-philharmoniker-bernard-haitink-seiji-ozawa-herbert-blomstedt-zubin-mehta-mariss-jansons-christian-thielemann-paavo-jarvi-and-sir-simon-rattle/release/bruckner-symphonies-nos-1%E2%80%939-10586526?f=20%2C19%2C12%2C16%2C17%2C9%2C2

I downloaded it last year and have enjoyed dipping into it from time to time.

Could my famed site navigation skills, but how can you tell who is playing what, and when?

[HighlandDougie]

The recent Vienna Phil cycle on Decca could be interesting but reviewers seem to consider it a curate's egg. The Berlin Phil has since issued a similar cycle with different conductors for the symphonies (including the reconstructed finale of the ninth conducted by Sir Simon Rattle). Either could tempt me to supplement my Jochum/ Dresden box (green box!) but as I do not have the equipment to play Blue-Ray audo the Berlin set is too expensive. Does the Berlin Phil's label have to include these expensive items that only a minority of prospective purchasers may be interested in?

Not sure how you feel about downloads - there are people on this forum who don't seem to want to touch them with the proverbial barge-pole - but the BPO Bruckner cycle is available for a pittance as below:

https://uk.7digital.com/artist/berliner-philharmoniker-bernard-haitink-seiji-ozawa-herbert-blomstedt-zubin-mehta-mariss-jansons-christian-thielemann-paavo-jarvi-and-sir-simon-rattle/release/bruckner-symphonies-nos-1%E2%80%939-10586526?f=20%2C19%2C12%2C16%2C17%2C9%2C2

I downloaded it last year and have enjoyed dipping into it from time to time.

[CallMePaul]

The recent Vienna Phil cycle on Decca could be interesting but reviewers seem to consider it a curate's egg. The Berlin Phil has since issued a similar cycle with different conductors for the symphonies (including the reconstructed finale of the ninth conducted by Sir Simon Rattle). Either could tempt me to supplement my Jochum/ Dresden box (green box!) but as I do not have the equipment to play Blue-Ray audo the Berlin set is too expensive. Does the Berlin Phil's label have to include these expensive items that only a minority of prospective purchasers may be interested in?

[Bryn]

Missed this thread.

Favourite symphony ? None. I'd rather have a migraine !

Please read the question before answering. It relates to complete sets of Bruckner Symphonies, not favourite individual symphonies.

[Anastasius]

Missed this thread.

Favourite symphony ? None. I'd rather have a migraine !

[Karafan]

They're not murky in the latest incarnation here where an impressive clean up job has been done: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bruckner-9-...s%2C180&sr=8-1

Can anyone with the latest Warner incarnation of the Jochum Dresden cycle give me any remastering details please? I keep seeing people referred to the 'newly-remastered sound' or what an improvement the new box is over its predecessor incarnations, but nowhere on the packaging as seen online can I see any reference to the cycle having been remastered. Warner don't usually hide their light under a bushel and blare loudly about a set being 'remastered from the original tapes' etc...

[jayne lee wilson]

I listened to the first movement of Bruckner's first conducted by Andreae last night, on youtube.

https://youtu.be/QrEHFMaaNl8

Rest assured the CDs/streams are surface-noise free and much sweeter on the ears.....!
But the LP does get the rhythms - the schwung - and directness across. The feel for flow and idiom. Vital Bruckner in every sense.

Good review here....

http://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/2010/Mar10/Bruckner_1227.htm

Got No.2 on again now.... see above..... so warm, so wonderful... there are few cycles where the strings and winds sing so beautifully and naturally, so idiomatically Viennese.... I beg you all to seek this out....

[Joseph K]

I'm intrigued by your continuing advocacy of this set but it seems to be completely unavailable as a CD set otherwise I would have got it by now. Can you link to its availability anywhere or is download the only option?

I listened to the first movement of Bruckner's first conducted by Andreae last night, on youtube.

https://youtu.be/QrEHFMaaNl8