Bruckner: Symphony no. 7 BaL 13/12/14

[verismissimo]

That Rheingold (OAE/Rattle) is available in pretty good quality in youtube. How lovely to hear the rheinmaidens singing sweetly for once........I really hoped they would go on and do the whole Ring, but for some reason it didn't happen. Apart from that, Thomas Hengelbrock did a period Parsifal in 2013. I have only just found it - I haven't listened yet - but it is here on youtube. it got sensational reviews. Will listen later. Finally, there is also a period Dutchman (Bruno Weil) on CD floating about.
But even if we do get to the point where period orchestras begin to move into the sacred Wagnerian precincts, it will surely take some time for performers - especially singers - to develop a suitable way of doing things. If you simply plant an established Wagnerian heldentenor in front of a period orchestra, you are almost certainly going to get traditional Wagnerian singing.........

Waldo, it seemed to me with that OAE/Rattle Rheingold that the orchestra had done lots of good research, but the singers just shipped up and sang as they would for any other performance. Same with the act of Tristan the same forces did a few years later. The only singer I experienced as having re-thought her performing style was Sarah Connolly's Brangaene. The rest bawled and wobbled as usual.

[waldo]

I have all the Tintners, and even though I can't yet come to grips with Bruckner, I like the 7th and think that Tintner is superb. In fact, you have inspired me to play it.

I agree. I would say the Tintner set is about as good as any other out there - and with superb sound.

[MickyD]

Did anyone ever hear this period instrument 'Flying Dutchman' from Bruno Weil?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wagner-fliegende-Holl%C3%A4nder-Bruno-Weil/dp/B0006PV5SA/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1418385524&sr=1-1&keywords=der+fliegende+holl%C3%A4nder+weil

[Bryn]

Did anyone ever hear this period instrument 'Flying Dutchman' from Bruno Weil?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wagner-flieg...C3%A4nder+weil

Or, of more recent vintage, and coupled with Dietch's Le vaisseau fantôme, ou Le maudit des mers, there's:

[Roehre]

Or, of more recent vintage, and coupled with Dietch's Le vaisseau fantôme, ou Le maudit des mers, there's:

then you'll discover what a masterpiece Wagner's effort actually is.

[MickyD]

Thanks Bryn, this newer one escaped me, I never heard about it on CD Review nor in IRR.

[clive heath]

The Jochum, Bruckner 7, with the Berliners that I have and which is currently on my site is from a double LP reissue DG 2726 054(the recording copyrighted 1966) on DG PRIVILEGE with the Good Friday music recorded earlier (1958?, Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra). Quite how this fits in with the various recordings already mentioned I'm not quite sure.

[Bryn]

Thanks Bryn, this newer one escaped me, I never heard about it on CD Review nor in IRR.

There's a brief promotional video on YouTube.

[Roehre]

The Jochum, Bruckner 7, with the Berliners that I have and which is currently on my site is from a double LP reissue DG 2726 054(the recording copyrighted 1966) on DG PRIVILEGE with the Good Friday music recorded earlier (1958?, Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra). Quite how this fits in with the various recordings already mentioned I'm not quite sure.

This is part of the Bruckner/BPO (1,4,7 - 9) & BRSO (2,3,5,6) set recorded between 1958 and 1967 on DG

[clive heath]

thanks Roehre and if I've not misread, unavailable, since not on the #1 list.

[waldo]

Thanks Bryn, this newer one escaped me, I never heard about it on CD Review nor in IRR.

My thanks, too. I hadn't heard about this, either, but it looks really promising.......

[MickyD]

I just found a crit somewhere saying that the voices on the older Bruno Weil set are stronger than those on the Minkowski.

[Bryn]

I just found a crit somewhere saying that the voices on the older Bruno Weil set are stronger than those on the Minkowski.

In this context, might "stronger" mean less HIPP?

One review of the Weil that I came across was quite negative re. his soloists.

You should able to get some idea of the quality of Minkowski's singers from the YouTube item previously linked to, and from samples on Qobuz, etc.

[waldo]

I just found a crit somewhere saying that the voices on the older Bruno Weil set are stronger than those on the Minkowski.

I don't know the Minkowski - will listen this week on Spotify - but the voices on the Weil are nothing to write home about. Standard, everyday, quite wobbly Wagnerian singing. Perfectly serviceable, but nothing more. Certainly doesn't compare with the best Wagner singing in any department. Worse than this, though, the orchestral playing does sound a little rough and ready and the recording is a quite remote and indistinct. Capella Coloniensis? Never heard of them.

[MickyD]

Capella Coloniensis are a well-established baroque orchestra, working with the likes of William Christie and have a respectable discography. But obviously it appears as if that doesn't qualify them for Wagner!