Originally posted by kernelbogey
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Segerstam/Bruckner 8 - Barbican, 28.2.15
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Originally posted by ChrisBennell View PostGiven that the missing end of the Bruckner is tagged onto the following R3 programme, I get the impression that the BBC chop their broadcast stream into programme segments based on the scheduled times for the programmes to begin and end, and without regard to the output content being complete for any programme. Maybe they use software to do it. I can't believe anyone there listens to what comes out! I had a similar problem with another R3 broadcast some months ago (a Prom concert I think) and got no reply at all to my complaint to the BBC. And the problem did not get fixed either. All highly unacceptable.
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Originally posted by Bryn View PostYes, it is very annoying when they fail to correct the faults even after being made aware of them. However, they do now have more time in which to get the sorted. Very often such truncations get sorted within hours of the broadcast. Not this time, however.
(Schuricht wth the VPO took 71 minutes, if it matters.)
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Originally posted by kernelbogey View PostIt is absolutely disgraceful and incompetent of the BBC that the overrun and premature ending of the broadcast on iPlayer still remains unfixed more than twenty-four hours after the broadcast.
(The BBC Complaints process is so cumbersome, I've just written to TTN instead.)Originally posted by Alain Maréchal View PostPerhaps because the performance took place on a Saturday evenng there are too few engineers to fix it until Monday morning. Sunday overtime is probably at double rate."...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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Originally posted by Bryn View PostBut TtN is complete. It has the end of the Charlie Parker fest at the beginning, but it ends just after the hand-over to Breakfast.
I've had a bit of a lie-down since, and feel much better now.
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I think we may have been exchanging at cross purposes. By TtN, I was referring to Through the Night. I'm not quite sure what you intended by "TTN". The Bruckner 8th was a "Live in Concert" broadcast.
All the truncated programmes from Saturday night remain in that condition as of 08:30 Monday morning.
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Yes - to clarify; if anyone wishes to hear the complete performance of Segerstam's idea of what the Bruckner Eighth should sound like, they need to go to the i-Player, find "Radio 3 in Concert" (recent episodes), then negotiate the i-Player to find "Between the Ears"(most recent episode) to capture the remaining bars of the Segerstam.
EDIT: Anyone wishing specifically to listen to "Between the Ears" might well end up wondering what on earth is going on for the first few minutes - not unlike what Bruckner enthusiasts had been thinking for the previous hour and a half.[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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Originally posted by Heldenleben View PostI was there tonight and , amazingly , sitting right behind the very noisy booer . My wife and I think he was the only one in fact. He was very angry and shouted repeatedly "too slow" . It was a slow perf but the band really gave their all and I thought it tremendous . Despite what you may have heard at home many in the audience were standing and cheering . Leif seemed to find it all a bit amusing. The "gent" wouldn't shut up and I found myself saying to him "calm down mate it's only a bit of music." To which he replied something along the lines "It's Bruckner and I know about Bruckner".Fair point but maybe politer to at least acknowledge the efforts of the musicians. I thought Pogorelich earlier in the week was excitement enough but I've never experienced Bruckner rage before . More seriously -very interested to hear what others thought of what I would agree was a "magical "performance. What a night - I must get out more often .
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostAnyone wishing specifically to listen to "Between the Ears" might well end up wondering what on earth is going on for the first few minutes - not unlike what Bruckner enthusiasts had been thinking for the previous hour and a half.
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostAnyone wishing specifically to listen to "Between the Ears" might well end up wondering what on earth is going on for the first few minutes - not unlike what Bruckner enthusiasts had been thinking for the previous hour and a half.
Segerstam's wikipedia entry states in his composition style: "... musical events interact flexibly in time". Which should have been a warning. His compositions are intended to be performed without a conductor. I think he should take his own advice.
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Originally posted by Heldenleben View PostI was there tonight and , amazingly , sitting right behind the very noisy booer . My wife and I think he was the only one in fact. He was very angry and shouted repeatedly "too slow" . It was a slow perf but the band really gave their all and I thought it tremendous . Despite what you may have heard at home many in the audience were standing and cheering . Leif seemed to find it all a bit amusing. The "gent" wouldn't shut up and I found myself saying to him "calm down mate it's only a bit of music." To which he replied something along the lines "It's Bruckner and I know about Bruckner".Fair point but maybe politer to at least acknowledge the efforts of the musicians. I thought Pogorelich earlier in the week was excitement enough but I've never experienced Bruckner rage before . More seriously -very interested to hear what others thought of what I would agree was a "magical "performance. What a night - I must get out more often .
Didn't this also happen at the RFH a few years back with Osmo Vanska and the LPO doing Bruckner's 4th? I don't see the point in shouting out "Too slow"... do they expect the conductor to stop, turn round, acknowledge at that precise moment his (potentially) many years of studying the score and the composer were complete rubbish and press the fast forward button and finish the piece in record time?
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Originally posted by duncan View Post
Segerstam's wikipedia entry states in his composition style: "... musical events interact flexibly in time". Which should have been a warning. His compositions are intended to be performed without a conductor. I think he should take his own advice.
(Note for Rafferty phobes - he wasn't presenting it, nor was SK. It was Ian Skelly)
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