Bruckner symphony versions by David Griegel

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  • Beef Oven!
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    • Sep 2013
    • 18147

    #16
    Perhaps I should keep this to myself (or at least away from Bryn, Waldo & Jayne), but last night I downloaded from Qobuz the Bruckner III Reloaded Live, by Peter Jan Marthe and the European Philharmonic.

    It's best to simply copy and paste the Qobuz description, it says it all!!!!

    Btw, I've played it through twice, and probably will again later tonight and I think it's ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT!!!


    Qobuz says...........................


    What we have here is not Bruckner's Third Reloaded but Bruckner's Third fully loaded. What conductor and arranger Peter Jan Marthé has done is include all three versions of the work from 1873, 1877, and 1889, plus the Adagio from 1876 in a single version. In addition, Marthé has added bridging passages, retouched the scoring, and reversed the order of the inner movements. And, as if that's not enough, Marthé has conducted his Third in a performance by the youthful European Philharmonic Orchestra recorded at a concert on August 19, 2005, at St. Florian Monastery over Bruckner's tomb of such unbearable intensity and overwhelming emotionality that the Austrian composer must have been spinning in his grave. In a word, it's all too much. Although the performance lasts an amazing 87 minutes -- most performances take about 52 minutes and even Celibdache, Marthé's teacher and inspiration, takes only 61 minutes -- it seems much longer. The opening Mehr [sic] langsam lasts an incredible 28 minutes and empires rise and fall in the interim. The central Adagio lasts an unbelievable 27 minutes and whole universes live and die in the meantime. There's no doubt that Marthé means it and there's no doubt that the EPO can do it, but it remains to be seen if anyone wants to hear it. Preiser's live digital sound is too big, loud, and vivid.
    Last edited by Beef Oven!; 30-04-16, 21:54. Reason: forgot the 'Y'

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    • jayne lee wilson
      Banned
      • Jul 2011
      • 10711

      #17
      God yes, I recall coming across this a while back.... and moving swiftly on...!

      The covers were enough to frighten my horses away...
      Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 01-05-16, 03:12.

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      • Beef Oven!
        Ex-member
        • Sep 2013
        • 18147

        #18
        Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
        God yes, I recall coming across this a while back.... and moving swiftly on...!

        The covers were enought to frighten my horses away...
        https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_nr...nid=1642204031
        Creepy covers! I downloaded the 9th too, apparently it is a complete liberty-take in the 4th movement - haven't listened to it yet.

        I think it's very interesting how swapping 'round the scherzo and andante in the third changes it so much. Might even be better that way (runs for cover!)

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        • jayne lee wilson
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          • Jul 2011
          • 10711

          #19
          Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
          Creepy covers! I downloaded the 9th too, apparently it is a complete liberty-take in the 4th movement - haven't listened to it yet.

          I think it's very interesting how swapping 'round the scherzo and andante in the third. Might even be better that way (runs for cover!)
          Here's his er, essay on the ninth.... it might be best not to be entirely sober when you read it. I fear Jan may have been on something stronger...
          (And you thought Kopatchinskaya and Currentzis were over the top at their Russian Wedding...models of chaste restraint against Our Marthe, which art ...)

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          • Beef Oven!
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            • Sep 2013
            • 18147

            #20
            Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
            Here's his er, essay on the ninth.... it might be best not to be entirely sober when you read it. I fear Jan may have been on something stronger...
            (And you thought Kopatchinskaya and Currentzis were over the top at their Russian Wedding...models of chaste restraint against Our Marthe, which art ...)

            http://www.abruckner.com/Data/articl...theb9essay.pdf
            A strange man. Very talented. Reminds me of Stockhausen for some reason.

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            • Jonathan
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              • Mar 2007
              • 945

              #21
              I've just read that - really strange but perhaps made more strange by the translation into English? Not sure if anyone here has heard (or heard of) a new recording of the 9th but in the 2 piano version by Karl Grunsky, with a two piano version of Carragan's finale to complete the work? It's really rather splendid and is on the HDTT label.
              Best regards,
              Jonathan

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              • Bryn
                Banned
                • Mar 2007
                • 24688

                #22
                Originally posted by Jonathan View Post
                I've just read that - really strange but perhaps made more strange by the translation into English? Not sure if anyone here has heard (or heard of) a new recording of the 9th but in the 2 piano version by Karl Grunsky, with a two piano version of Carragan's finale to complete the work? It's really rather splendid and is on the HDTT label.
                I recall Rob Cowan was very taken with the Carragan finale, but was that not done before the extra manuscript pages turned up and were incorporated into the 'final' Samale/Mazzuca/Phillips/Cohrs completion?

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                • Beef Oven!
                  Ex-member
                  • Sep 2013
                  • 18147

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Jonathan View Post
                  I've just read that - really strange but perhaps made more strange by the translation into English? Not sure if anyone here has heard (or heard of) a new recording of the 9th but in the 2 piano version by Karl Grunsky, with a two piano version of Carragan's finale to complete the work? It's really rather splendid and is on the HDTT label.
                  Ah yes, Google-English. Hadn't thought of that, might have an influence. But the camera doesn't lie, those covers are creepy and the whole thing is as weird as his narrative!

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                  • Richard Barrett
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                    • Jan 2016
                    • 6259

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                    A strange man. Very talented.
                    A deserving winner of 2016's Brucknerd of the Year. (There's a lot of competition round here though )

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                    • ahinton
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 16122

                      #25
                      Try this, from the same source as the Marthé - http://www.abruckner.com/articles/ar...vandermeijden/

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                      • P. G. Tipps
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                        • Jun 2014
                        • 2978

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                        A deserving winner of 2016's Brucknerd of the Year. (There's a lot of competition round here though )
                        No, there's not!

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                        • ahinton
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 16122

                          #27
                          Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
                          No, there's not!
                          Oh, come on, P. G.; you must at least admit that "Brucknerd"'s an amusing term if nothing else!

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                          • P. G. Tipps
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                            • Jun 2014
                            • 2978

                            #28
                            Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                            Oh, come on, P. G.; you must at least admit that "Brucknerd"'s an amusing term if nothing else!
                            It's truly hilarious, ahinton ...

                            Though for every Brucknerd there are probably about 100 incorrigible Brucknerrants including some who should be banned on the grounds of inciting gross anti-Antonism like the horribly misguided young lady featured below ... and she's only just started it seems.



                            PS ... I see she admits to being a 'nerd' as well which is all rather confusing?

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                            • ahinton
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 16122

                              #29
                              Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
                              It's truly hilarious, ahinton ...

                              Though for every Brucknerd there are probably about 100 incorrigible Brucknerrants including some who should be banned on the grounds of inciting gross anti-Antonism like the horribly misguided young lady featured below ... and she's only just started it seems.



                              PS ... I see she admits to being a 'nerd' as well which is all rather confusing?
                              Not really. She just likes drawing attention to herself. She appears to think that she's a violinist. I don't think that even CB-H at her worst would stoop to anything quite like this. Not the first. Not the last. Nothing to see here (that we've not seen somewhere before). Let(ocart)'s move on.

                              Oh and while we're about it, don't get me started on Marthé; I'd begin by interrogating whoever it was that gave him a gun licence so that he could commence his "reloading" antics...

                              By the way, since you mention it, isn't "gross anti-Antonism" just the next thing of which the UK Labour Party or some other party's about to be accused?...

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