Bruckner - Symphony No. 8

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Jochum uses Nowak in both his Stereo recordings.
Furtwangler used Haas (but in one performance at least, cut out the bars Haas wrote into the slow movement) until his final performance in 1954, when he used Nowak (1890).
Knappertsbusch stuck to the Schalk and other early editions.

Böhm/Tonhalle 1978 uses Haas, according to the CD sleeve:

http://www.amazon.com/Symphony-No-8-Anton-Bruckner/dp/B000G1SZKU

Most of the mid-century great conductors who recorded the work had careers which developed when only the Haas was available - Nowak was published in 1955, by which time many of them had established their ideas of how the work should "go" - and shared the views of contemporary musicologists such as Simpson and Cooke that the Haas had the best of both versions.

[P. G. Tipps]

You ain't heard nuffin' if you haven't heard the BPO/Kna performing the Schalk version edited by Haslinger-Schlesinger-Lienau ...

Truthfully, this Schalk version doesn't sound a lot different from the Haas & Nowak editions?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMtwwyxYusA

[Beef Oven!]

Quite a list. I feel as if I have been trumped. I'll see your Haitink and raise you three Karajans.

Van Zweden is top of my wish list, too. I have listened to fairly big chunks on Spotify and it really does sound like it is the business. Hopefully, there will be a Zweden Bruckner box set at some point.......I'd also like to get my hands on the Blomstedt/Leipzig set, but it doesn't seem to be coming down in price. Still hovering around the £100 mark, which is out of the question.

Btw, I haven't got a Haitink B8, just 4 & 7 I think.

Blomstedt is a blind spot in Bruckner for me, and has never crossed my mind.

[Beef Oven!]

Me too. And the Bruckner 8 I return to most often is an 1890 Nowak too - the studio recording by Tennstedt and the LPO.

(It was recorded in September 1982 at Abbey Road, the year after the 'LPO Live' performance from the RFH which for me is let down by the recorded sound, and in terms of performance does not eclipse the studio version).

I think the Tennstedt LPO was the second B8 I ever bought (after HvK's 1975 BPO). I really must listen to it more carefully because so many people whose opinion I respect rave about it and it's never done much for me.

[Beef Oven!]

You ain't heard nuffin' if you haven't heard the BPO/Kna performing the Schalk version edited by Haslinger-Schlesinger-Lienau ...

Truthfully, this Schalk version doesn't sound a lot different from the Haas & Nowak editions?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMtwwyxYusA

It even sounds like he's rehearsed it!!!

[Beef Oven!]

Böhm/Tonhalle 1978 uses Haas, according to the CD sleeve:
http://www.amazon.com/Symphony-No-8-.../dp/B000G1SZKU

You are right, I just checked the CD and it is Haas. For some reason my memory said Novak (not that I pay much attention to the versions ).

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I think Nowak would object in the strongest possible terms that Klemperer's version was being ascribed to his edition!

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

You are right, I just checked the CD and it is Haas. For some reason my memory said Novak (not that I pay much attention to the versions ).

[Beef Oven!]

I think Nowak would object in the strongest possible terms that Klemperer's version was being ascribed to his edition!

My CD says Novak (Klemperer New Philharmonia EMI)??

Hang on, that's a joke, right?

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

My CD says Novak (Klemperer New Philharmonia EMI)??

Hang on, that's a joke, right?

Klemperer cuts a whole chunk out of the Finale, that is nothing to do with Nowak, Haas, Schalk, Carragan, or Bruckner. It is, I believe, "ed. Klemperer".

(I can imagine that Klemperer would be unsympathetic to Haas, and base his performance of the first three movements on Nowak, though.)

[Barbirollians]

Klemperer cuts a whole chunk out of the Finale, that is nothing to do with Nowak, Haas, Schalk, Carragan, or Bruckner. It is, I believe, "ed. Klemperer".

(I can imagine that Klemperer would be unsympathetic to Haas, and base his performance of the first three movements on Nowak, though.)

I have the Klemperer Bruckner box and 4.6 & 7 are terrific but I have never been able to bring myself to listen to his Eighth - my two favourites are very different from each other the live Halle Barbirolli which has extraordinary energy and the immensely spiritual BPO/Giulini on Testament .

[Beef Oven!]

Klemperer cuts a whole chunk out of the Finale, that is nothing to do with Nowak, Haas, Schalk, Carragan, or Bruckner. It is, I believe, "ed. Klemperer".

(I can imagine that Klemperer would be unsympathetic to Haas, and base his performance of the first three movements on Nowak, though.)

Yes, I realised - it's been a long day!

And I've just realised that I also Have Harnoncourt's BPO Novak Bruckner 8 on Teldec.

[Beef Oven!]

.......I can imagine that Klemperer would be unsympathetic to Haas ......

After what Waldo was saying about him yesterday, I've gone off him a bit meself!

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I have the Klemperer Bruckner box and 4.6 & 7 are terrific but I have never been able to bring myself to listen to his Eighth

Klemperer's Bruckner #5 is bloomin' good, too.

- my two favourites are very different from each other the live Halle Barbirolli which has extraordinary energy and the immensely spiritual BPO/Giulini on Testament .

JB doesn't half get a move on, doesn't he - going back to reports of Bruckner performances before WW2 (as heard in Böhm's superb Mono Seventh: real fire)! Another Haas performance - the conductor's final London concert. Great to hear the Hallé brass of that vintage at work, too - very different from any other brass playing I've heard.

[Petrushka]

Klemperer cuts a whole chunk out of the Finale, that is nothing to do with Nowak, Haas, Schalk, Carragan, or Bruckner. It is, I believe, "ed. Klemperer".

(I can imagine that Klemperer would be unsympathetic to Haas, and base his performance of the first three movements on Nowak, though.)

There's a 1957 Cologne Radio SO/Klemperer recording to be had which states: Version 1889/1890 so presumably Nowak but I've not heard it for a very long time and can't recall.