Bruckner - Symphony No. 8

[Beef Oven!]

Beef Oven - I'm not sure if you are among the Skrowaczewski admirers on the forum? Just wondered if you would consider adding his version to your comparisons (tis a noble exercise you are engaged in here....but I realise it may be an imposition!)

(The Oehms / Saarbrucken recording is avaiable on Naxos Music Library (Cat no OC217) (just updated my Naxos ML post).

Hi Cockney Sparrow, I haven't heard much Skrowaczewski, just Bruckner 3. I shall get to his 8 along the way. It's not a noble exercise, it's just that at the moment I'm in the mood for Bruckner & Vivaldi. The first quarter of the year it was Mahler and most of last year it was Sibelius!

[Beef Oven!]

Just put on Furtwangler VPO 1944.

I was always very pleased with the sound quality on this disc, but having listened to quite a few very well recorded discs lately, I can hear that this is dated.

I'm listening to this again. The slow movement is astonishing. Recorded live, but without an audience for radio broadcast.

[Beef Oven!]

Gürzenich Orchester Köln, Gunter Wand. Recorded live, 1971.

Downloaded from Qobuz last night for £3.99 16 Bit CD quality (also available there and on Amazon coupled with Brahms 2 (1958) & 4 (1960).

I only managed the first movement last night, it was very late, but I will say the sound quality is excellent. Will get my head and ears 'round it in due course.

[Beef Oven!]

I've never done it either.......but


Bohm Tonhalle - Haas
Karajan BPO 1957 - Haas
Karajan BPO 1975 - Haas
Karajan VPO - Haas
Barbirolli Halle - Haas
Goodall BBSO - Haas
Thielemann Dresden - Haas
Kubelik Bavarian RSO - Haas
Asahina - Haas
Barenboim BPO - Haas
Boulez VPO - Haas
Schuricht VPO - Haas
Wand BPO - Haas
Wand Köln - Haas

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Celibidache MPO - Novak
Chailly Concertgebouw - Novak
Giuliani VPO - Novak
Jochum BPO - Novak
Jochum S Dresden - Novak
Klemperer N Philharmonia - Novak
Maazel BPO - Novak
Tennstedt LPO - Novak
Harnoncourt BPO - Novak


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Various Furtwangler & Knappertsbusch that I don't have the energy to list - mainly Schalk, I think.

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Wish list?

Van Zweden Nederlands RP - Novak
Venzago Konzerhausorchester Berlin - Novak
Giulini BPO 1984 (Testament) - Novak

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Favourites?

Karajan VPO - Haas
Celibidache - Novak
Boulez VPO - Haas
Bohm Tonhalle - Novak
Asahina Osaka PO (today!!) - Haas


So in terms of my favourites, it's pretty evenly split between Haas and Novak


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Looking through my list again, I see I have forgotten to list 2 Karl Bohm recordings. His studio VPO on DG and a live 1978 with the Tonhalle De Zurich on the Palexa label.

And to update, I have recently added:

Giuseppe Sinopoli, Dresden Staatskapelle on DG
Gunter Wand, Gürzenich Orchester Köln on Acanta
Gunter Wand, NDR Sinfonieorchester on RCA Victor
Edward Van Beinum, Royal Concertgebouw, Amsterdam on Naxos (previously on Decca Eloquence et al).

About 34 in total, not even close to some people's total on this forum! (like Petrushka's 45!)

[Petrushka]

Looking through my list again, I see I have forgotten to list 2 Karl Bohm recordings. His studio VPO on DG and a live 1978 with the Tonhalle De Zurich on the Palexa label.

And to update, I have recently added:

Giuseppe Sinopoli, Dresden Staatskapelle on DG
Gunter Wand, Gürzenich Orchester Köln on Acanta
Gunter Wand, NDR Sinfonieorchester on RCA Victor
Edward Van Beinum, Royal Concertgebouw, Amsterdam on Naxos (previously on Decca Eloquence et al).

About 34 in total, not even close to some people's total on this forum! (like Petrushka's 45!)

Bernard Haitink isn't there at all! All of his recordings use Haas but latterly he has (for whatever reason) taken up Nowak.

Furtwangler is mostly Haas with a few tinkerings of his own while Knappertsbusch uses the Leinau 1892 edition in a 1951 BPO recording I have.

[Beef Oven!]

Bernard Haitink isn't there at all! All of his recordings use Haas but latterly he has (for whatever reason) taken up Nowak.

Furtwangler is mostly Haas with a few tinkerings of his own while Knappertsbusch uses the Leinau 1892 edition in a 1951 BPO recording I have.

I don't have any Haitink, but I've been eyeing one on Philips. Is that worth getting?

[Alison]

I don't have any Haitink, but I've been eyeing one on Philips. Is that worth getting?

I prefer the one on the RCO label.

I'll leave it to Pet to adjudicate on the three Philips versions.

Then there is the Dresden version on Profil - more beefy somehow!

[Beef Oven!]

I prefer the one on the RCO label.

I'll leave it to Pet to adjudicate on the three Philips versions.

Then there is the Dresden version on Profil - more beefy somehow!

I'm still none the wiser!

[Alison]

The Philips versions are 1970 Concertgebouw, 1982 Concertgebouw and 1995 Vienna Philharmonic. Dates approximate.

I need to relisten before giving my verdict. I don't much care for the scherzo in the otherwise noble early eighties reading.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Bernard Haitink isn't there at all! All of his recordings use Haas but latterly he has (for whatever reason) taken up Nowak.

Furtwangler is mostly Haas with a few tinkerings of his own

Haitink is following the example of Furtwangler, who also opted for Nowak in his later years - there's even a recording:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/BRUCKNER-No-8-NOWAK/dp/B002YNCO1Y

[Beef Oven!]

The Philips versions are 1970 Concertgebouw, 1982 Concertgebouw and 1995 Vienna Philharmonic. Dates approximate.

I need to relisten before giving my verdict. I don't much care for the scherzo in the otherwise noble early eighties reading.

I'll check them out on Spotify etc. I've always liked BH and I've seen him conduct a few times, including the BPO (I really wanted him to take over the BPO from HvK, back in the day)But for some reason I don't have too many of his recordings. His Bruckner 4 & 7 on Decca are favourites (and of course RVW, DSCH, Mahler). The first Schuman symphonies I bought donkeys years ago were BH's on Philips.

[Petrushka]

The Philips versions are 1970 Concertgebouw, 1982 Concertgebouw and 1995 Vienna Philharmonic. Dates approximate.

I need to relisten before giving my verdict. I don't much care for the scherzo in the otherwise noble early eighties reading.

The 1995 VPO recording is terrific (I attended a London performance by them the same month as this recording) but if I was going to recommend just one Haitink recording of Bruckner 8 it would be the 2002 live account with the Dresden Staatskapelle on the Profil label.

[Petrushka]

Haitink is following the example of Furtwangler, who also opted for Nowak in his later years - there's even a recording:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/BRUCKNER-No.../dp/B002YNCO1Y

I have that recording on the Andante label. The sound is utterly dreadful even for 1954.

[jayne lee wilson]

Haitink is following the example of Furtwangler, who also opted for Nowak in his later years - there's even a recording:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/BRUCKNER-No.../dp/B002YNCO1Y

It's very unlikely that the 10/04/54 Andante/Arkadia (Andante gets the date wrong) Furtwangler 8th uses the Nowak edition, as this was only published in 1955, after the conductor's death.
Berky lists only modified Haas or the 1892 edition for Furtwangler's many issues, categorising this 10/4/54 one as the 1892 Bruckner-Schalk revision, ed. Haslinger-Schlesinger-Lienau. This was the work's first publication. There's not much difference to the Nowak 1890 score - see Griegel for the details. Note too, that Bruckner rejected a Schalk suggestion for a large cut to the finale. In this context, see Griegel's notes to the 3rd and 5th Symphonies.
With friends like these......

http://www.abruckner.com/Data/Documents/Furt_1954_B8.htm

But note that, with respect to the comments in the last paragraph about first published editions, Korstvedt, Marques, et al would now consider the 1896 edition of the 5th, with the Schalk-truncated finale, as almost certainly inauthentic.

[Beef Oven!]

Rather than go ahead and buy right away, I'm listening to Bernard Haitink's 1995 Vienna Philharmonic Bruckner 8 (Philips Duo) on Apple Music.