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  • jayne lee wilson
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    • Jul 2011
    • 10711

    Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
    Jayne, you are incorrigible! How do I resist the Jaap Van Sweden??
    STOP PRESS!! - Just noticed booklet is available at eclassical and it's a smidgeon cheaper too.... off to download now.... Mum's settled in bed & I may squeeze in a movement or two before supper...

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    • Beef Oven!
      Ex-member
      • Sep 2013
      • 18147

      Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
      STOP PRESS!! - Just noticed booklet is available at eclassical and it's a smidgeon cheaper too.... off to download now.... Mum's settled in bed & I may squeeze in a movement or two before supper...
      Couldn't find it on eClassical or Qobuz Just on Primephonic. I'll relook.

      Update: Found, bought.

      Yes, cheaper on eClassical

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      • Richard Barrett
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        • Jan 2016
        • 6259

        Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
        I wonder how a studio Bernstein studio Bruckner 6 would go.
        All over the place I would imagine.

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        • Beef Oven!
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          • Sep 2013
          • 18147

          Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
          All over the place I would imagine.

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          • kea
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            • Dec 2013
            • 749

            Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
            I think it would depend on what year (and which orchestra) you took your Time Machine back to....

            Incidentally, when ES reviewed that Yannick N-S recording (G., Awards/2013 - see #118 above), he did so alongside another newcomer, the Netherlands Radio Philharmonic/Jaap Van Sweden.(remember his fine Proms 8th a few years back?)... he liked both very much but actually preferred the latter; I guess no-one's heard that?

            Sampling via Qobuz sounds a touch grand for my current tastes; no booklet, but it is ​24/96 so I may yet try it full-sized....
            The Zweden B6 has excellent orchestral playing and sound quality, but the conducting seems stiff (in tempo and rhythm) and somewhat earthbound. The finale in particular suffers from this. I wouldn't call it a favourite but I do prefer it to Klemperer or Karajan or Wand, or (among modern recordings) YNS—which I thought was very "safe" and didn't hold attention well—or Kent Nagano or Marcus Bosch.

            But as always mileage varies. My #1 among modern recordings is either Norrington or the Leipzig Blomstedt so if you don't like those, disregard my opinions, lol

            The live Bernstein 6th (with the New York Philharmonic, 1976) is a fairly straightforward and exciting reading with questionable orchestral execution and way too much ritardando at the end of movements. I mean it's good and I'd recommend it as an alternative, alongside Rozhdestvensky (and with similar problems), but it's obviously not available at this point.

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            • BBMmk2
              Late Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 20908

              Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
              All over the place I would imagine.
              I was thinking along those lines as well!
              Don’t cry for me
              I go where music was born

              J S Bach 1685-1750

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              • ahinton
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                • Nov 2010
                • 16122

                Originally posted by kea View Post
                My #1 among modern recordings is either Norrington or the Leipzig Blomstedt so if you don't like those, disregard my opinions, lol
                I don't like the Norrington at all (although I don't detest it as much as I do his take on Mahler 9!) but I wouldn't dream of "disregarding" your opinions, kea!
                Last edited by ahinton; 10-01-18, 10:57.

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                • Bryn
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                  • Mar 2007
                  • 24688

                  Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                  I don't like the Norrington at all (although I don't detest it as much as I do his take on Mahler 9!) but I wouldn't dream of "disregarding" your opinions, Jayne!
                  Your loss in both instances. Still, never mind, there are lesser performances available in recorded form for you to resort to.

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                  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                    Gone fishin'
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 30163

                    Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                    I don't like the Norrington at all (although I don't detest it as much as I do his take on Mahler 9!) but I wouldn't dream of "disregarding" your opinions, Jayne!
                    ???
                    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                    • ahinton
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 16122

                      Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                      ???
                      Oops! Now duly corrected/credited! Apologies all round (and thanks for drawing attention to this). Time for some good strong dark roast coffee, methinks.

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                      • ahinton
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 16122

                        Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                        Your loss in both instances. Still, never mind, there are lesser performances available in recorded form for you to resort to.
                        No loss to me, I fear! - but it's only a personal opinion anyway, not a purported value judgement - and I am of course aware of just how many performances of both symphonies there are out there!

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                        • richardfinegold
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                          • Sep 2012
                          • 7666

                          Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                          I think it would depend on what year (and which orchestra) you took your Time Machine back to....

                          Incidentally, when ES reviewed that Yannick N-S recording (G., Awards/2013 - see #118 above), he did so alongside another newcomer, the Netherlands Radio Philharmonic/Jaap Van Sweden.(remember his fine Proms 8th a few years back?)... he liked both very much but actually preferred the latter; I guess no-one's heard that?

                          Sampling via Qobuz sounds a touch grand for my current tastes; no booklet, but it is ​24/96 so I may yet try it full-sized....
                          This post reminded me that I own the van Zweeden 6th. It is ina pile of discs around my Surround sound system. I’m home with the flu so maybe if I’m up to it I’ll dig it out. I think I played it twice and found it competent but not to inspiring. The reviews were mixed if IRC.
                          Norrington in Bruckner? The thought of it isn’t doing my queasy stomach any favors. Still, maybe I’ll stream it if Spotify has it

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                          • Richard Barrett
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                            • Jan 2016
                            • 6259

                            "Van Sweden"? "Van Zweeden"? What is so difficult about spelling "van Zweden"? (small "v" for Dutch names, as opposed to Belgian ones!)

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                            • Beef Oven!
                              Ex-member
                              • Sep 2013
                              • 18147

                              Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                              "Van Sweden"? "Van Zweeden"? What is so difficult about spelling "van Zweden"? (small "v" for Dutch names, as opposed to Belgian ones!)
                              I thought he was a Belgian Swede. Thanks for picking it up, I'll continue with the correct spelling.

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                              • visualnickmos
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 3610

                                Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                                I wonder how a studio Bernstein studio Bruckner 6 would go.
                                Well, he did a fine Bruckner 9th for Sony. I think it was live... 1969.

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