Why on earth is there a separate forum for Bruckner?

[Petrushka]

It would certainly be more consistent and logical for them to be 'relegated'.
But I'm not sure how easy a shift is for our kind hosts (with more permissions than I have).

When our friend ferneyhoughgeliebte (wish he'd come back, by the way) did all the hard work in bringing these composer threads about, he did explain why Bruckner and Mahler were given a sub-forum of their own and, from memory, I think it was partly due to the huge undertaking in trawling through threads to amalgamate the posts and partly due to the large number of posts on both composers being done at the time. They were therefore made easier for Forumites to locate.

Over time, posts on both composers have naturally diminished somewhat but I really don't think it's worth bothering about now. Let sleeping dogs lie is my view.

EDIT: I see that Andrew Slater has answered the question more thoroughly while I was doing this one!

[Pulcinella]

When our friend ferneyhoughgeliebte (wish he'd come back, by the way) did all the hard work in bringing these composer threads about, he did explain why Bruckner and Mahler were given a sub-forum of their own and, from memory, I think it was partly due to the huge undertaking in trawling through threads to amalgamate the posts and partly due to the large number of posts on both composers being done at the time. They were therefore made easier for Forumites to locate.

Over time, posts on both composers have naturally diminished somewhat but I really don't think it's worth bothering about now. Let sleeping dogs lie is my view.

EDIT: I see that Andrew Slater has answered the question more thoroughly while I was doing this one!

My mistake, and therefore my apologies.
Since I don't venture into either sub-forum, I'd misunderstood Andrew's comments about all the threads: I hadn't realised they were there.
So, given this, I can perfectly well understand the arrangement and the status quo argument.

[Petrushka]

My mistake, and therefore my apologies.
Since I don't venture into either sub-forum, I'd misunderstood Andrew's comments about all the threads: I hadn't realised they were there.
So, given this, I can perfectly well understand the arrangement and the status quo argument.

No apologies needed. The composer threads didn't start with the Forum and it meant a lot of hard work to set them up and bring relevant threads on to the respective composer thread. I'm not sure if this preceded your joining the Forum but it certainly preceded the OP joining so perhaps I should excuse Mandryka's bringing this up.

[Sir Velo]

Let's bear in mind that none of the three "B"s have even so much as a topic assigned to them in the main Composers' sub forum. So unless they've all been relegated to the third division I would humbly suggest that there is no correlation to relative worth!

[french frank]

My memory of the history is that one member, long departed, asked for a separate sub-forum to be set up and admin obliged. Events seems to have taken over.

[Serial_Apologist]

Why on earth is there a separate forum for bruckner?

Because his music asks a lot of people.

[vinteuil]

Why on earth is there a separate forum for bruckner?

... well, to make room for Carragan, Nowak, Haas, Doblinger, Orel, Cohrs, Haslinger-Schlesinger-Lienau, Phillips, Hawkshaw, Gutmann, Korstvedt, Rättig, Oeser, Wöss, Röder, Grandjean, Brosche for a start...









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[cloughie]

There are thirty pages of seperate forums for individual composers each with about 10 threads per page so that’s approx 300 individual composers singled out as “special,”:

No it’s not, it is 30 - was a hyphen or other punctuation mark omitted, Held? - You’re right though I think Bruckner has been analysed to the hilt and I think Iike his music but I tend to just listen rather than analyse whether it is Elbow or Haas I am hearing!

[LMcD]

The only even passable thing Bruckner wrote was Hotel du Lac

Actually, I quite like his Symphony No. 0 ('Die Nullte'). Unfortunately, he then proceeded to produce a number of progressively longer versions of it. I think he may possibly have been the subject of more discussions - some of them heated - on the Forum than any other composer.

[Ein Heldenleben]

No it’s not, it is 30 - was a hyphen or other punctuation mark omitted, Held? - You’re right though I think Bruckner has been analysed to the hilt and I think Iike his music but I tend to just listen rather than analyse whether it is Elbow or Haas I am hearing!

I thought there were 30 pages of threads with each page having at least 10 names on it . That was an estimate - the names stretch from Abrahamson to Zorzor - neither of whom I’ve ever heard.
The only thread I started was the Wagner one - who incredibly didn’t have one even though he is a more significant composer than Mahler and Bruckner (and I’m pretty sure they would have agreed with me. )

[cloughie]

I thought there were 30 pages of threads with each page having at least 10 names on it . That was an estimate - the names stretch from Abrahamson to Zorzor - neither of whom I’ve ever heard.
The only thread I started was the Wagner one - who incredibly didn’t have one even though he is a more significant composer than Mahler and Bruckner (and I’m pretty sure they would have agreed with me. )

…and if he had not been preoccupied by such major operas just think what superb massive symphonies he could have put his talents towards.

[LMcD]

…and if he had not been preoccupied by such major operas just think what superb massive symphonies he could have put his talents towards.

Sadly, his use of the phrase 'Gesamtkunstwerk' in a couple of essays makes it clear that he was largely unwilling or unable to contemplate the composition of non-operatic works. .

[french frank]

That was an estimate - the names stretch from Abrahamson to Zorzor - neither of whom I’ve ever heard.

There is arguably a case for confining the 'Composers' subforum to (other) composers who could remain undiscussed/unknown. The "great" (tbd) composers might have their own threads regularly any time something topical arose.

[Ein Heldenleben]

Sadly, his use of the phrase 'Gesamtkunstwerk' in a couple of essays makes it clear that he was largely unwilling or unable to contemplate the composition of non-operatic works. .

It’s more that he thought the future of musical expression including the symphonic - post Beethoven 9 - was in music drama. Not for nothing has the Ring been compared to giant symphony. There’s nothing “sad “ about it .

[LMcD]

It’s more that he thought the future of musical expression including the symphonic - post Beethoven 9 - was in music drama. Not for nothing has the Ring been compared to giant symphony. There’s nothing “sad “ about it .

I was actually feeling sad for cloughie .