Haitink's new Bruckner 9

[Roehre]

....Talking of Bruckner 9 - I have recently bought the Van Beinum Concertgebouw 5 7 8 & 9 - great performances.

Especially Bruckner 9 in Van Beinum's amended version. One is clearly audible at the end: timpani accompanying the chords on brass.

[Roehre]

Haitink's repertoire has always been much broader than his recordings suggest. The Radio Recordings box (part of the RCO Anthology) will bear this out. The greatest pity, in my view, is that he has done very, very little Haydn and Mozart in recordings yet his live performances are as life-enhancing as any I've heard. There are some examples on youTube but a tiny amount on CD. Presumably, record companies over the years want Haitink for Bruckner and Mahler but there is much more to him than that. Perhaps one day the archives will oblige.

Recordings -radio as well as [former] Philips- i.a. contain a marvellous Ravel L'enfant et les sortilèges, Berg's 3 orchestral pieces op.6, Webern's Passacaglia op.1, a Mozart "overture" consisting of the marches KV408/1 and /3 with between them the Menuet KV409, a lot of Dutch music [including many premières], Lutoslawski Double concerto [with the Holligers as soloists], premières of pieces commissioned by the Concertgebouw Orchestra [Lutoslawski, Berio, Henze, to name but a few], of which most haven't been released at all [not in the radio recording sets either]

[ahinton]

It's short by one movement; is there really any credible excuse for that these days?

[amateur51]

It's short by one movement; is there really any credible excuse for that these days?

Excuse or reason, ahinton? I'd much rather hear Haitink/LSO tackling the Deryck Cooke performing version of Mahler symphony no. 10

[Alison]

Excuse or reason, ahinton? I'd much rather hear Haitink/LSO tacking the Deryck Cooke performing version of Mahler symphony no. 10

So would I !!

Any conductor is perfectly entitled to leave out that fourth movement in my opinion. None of the completions I have heard are a *patch* on the rest!

I know that's an unfashionable thing to write but it's my honest opinion.

[Petrushka]

So would I !!

Any conductor is perfectly entitled to leave out that fourth movement in my opinion. None of the completions I have heard are a *patch* on the rest!

I know that's an unfashionable thing to write but it's my honest opinion.

It's mine as well. The reconstructed finale in the Rattle recording sounds very much like early Bruckner to me and is on nothing like the same level of inspiration as the rest. I've resolved not to listen to this movement again except possibly as a stand alone piece. Perhaps Bruckner himself realised it wasn't good enough?

[ahinton]

Excuse or reason, ahinton? I'd much rather hear Haitink/LSO tackling the Deryck Cooke performing version of Mahler symphony no. 10

Perhaps both...

[Barbirollians]

I am pleased to have and to have heard the completion on Rattle's excellent account of the Ninth but I agree that it is perfectly appropriate not to adopt it .

I am not throwing away Walter, Wand, Furtwangler, Dohnnanyi, Klemperer etc either .

[amateur51]

Perhaps both...

Perhaps ... but Mahler/Cooke first

[EdgeleyRob]

I wonder if uncle Bernard fancies having a bash at Weinberg's symphonies.
He didn't make a bad fist of DSCH.
They are crying out for a big name conductor to champion them IMO.
A nice litttle project for him.

[Roehre]

Excuse or reason, ahinton? I'd much rather hear Haitink/LSO tackling the Deryck Cooke performing version of Mahler symphony no. 10

So would I, but this will never happen.
For Bruckner 9 iv there isn't any hope either.
Haitink is (IMO rightly so) convinced that even the Adagio 10's orchestration is incomplete. IBut it has been published in the Mahler Gesamtausgabe authorised by Erwin Ratz, and that's the one and only reason why Haitink conducts Adagio 10. [Solti even didn't do that, btw!] . Haitink is not interested in other person's tinkering with these scores and won't conduct them (but why he does do Mozart's Requiem is beyond me, then...).

[Petrushka]

So would I, but this will never happen.
For Bruckner 9 iv there isn't any hope either.
Haitink is (IMO rightly so) convinced that even the Adagio 10's orchestration is incomplete. IBut it has been published in the Mahler Gesamtausgabe authorised by Erwin Ratz, and that's the one and only reason why Haitink conducts Adagio 10. [Solti even didn't do that, btw!] . Haitink is not interested in other person's tinkering with these scores and won't conduct them (but why he does do Mozart's Requiem is beyond me, then...).

But does he do the Mozart Requiem? I've certainly not heard one from him either live or recorded...

[cloughie]

So would I !!

Any conductor is perfectly entitled to leave out that fourth movement in my opinion. None of the completions I have heard are a *patch* on the rest!

I know that's an unfashionable thing to write but it's my honest opinion.

Wasn't it Des O'Connor who sang 'Let's Pretend' - I'm quite happy with the three movements of Bruckner9 and the single movement of Mahler 10. Has his Bruckner 9 changed much from his old Concertgebouw that I need to dash out or even order from my recliner the new one? Perhaps it's slower!

[Roehre]

But does he do the Mozart Requiem? I've certainly not heard one from him either live or recorded...

To be fair, AFAIK he hasn't commercially recorded Mozart's Requiem, but I attended one performance of it in Amsterdam, and he did the work at least twice in the beginning of his career. Again to be fair, two of these performances were related to then recent deaths. There must exist tapes of at least two of these three performances, while another one was televised.

[BBMmk2]

IMO, the fourth movement is not a good realisation as the Mahler/Cooke Tenth. It just doesn't seem to ring true, although the overall recording is very good indeed, so I will be going back to that one.