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  • Mandryka

    Haydn

    To my ears, Haydn's music, although far from unpleasant, has always seemed overcerebral: it fails to enage my emotions.

    Haydn afficionados tell me that this is quite in order: Haydn appeals to one's 'sense of form' (whatever that is) and intellect. I have also been told (rather peevishly, on an old BAL) that Haydn 'will never appeal to the intellectually lazy'.

    I can't think of a single memorable melody that J.H. ever wrote, though I've heard all his London symphonies, as well as the 'named' symphonies.

    Would it be fair to say that Haydn is easier to admire than he is to love?

    I fear, even more than Mozart, he is another composer I am fated never to 'get'.
  • rauschwerk
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 1489

    #2
    Originally posted by Mandryka View Post
    I can't think of a single memorable melody that J.H. ever wrote, though I've heard all his London symphonies, as well as the 'named' symphonies.
    You amaze me. I can think of dozens of Haydn's melodies with no difficulty! I have loved his music since my teenage years, and have tried over the years to deepen my understanding. I would never accuse anyone who fails to appreciate Haydn's music as intellectually lazy! One is surely entitled to one's opinion, even of a great masterpiece.

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    • french frank
      Administrator/Moderator
      • Feb 2007
      • 30798

      #3
      Originally posted by Mandryka View Post
      Would it be fair to say that Haydn is easier to admire than he is to love?
      No

      I can't think of a single memorable melody that J.H. ever wrote
      What about that little ditty in the Emperor string quartet, Op 76/3 (2nd movt)?
      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • amateur51

        #4
        Originally posted by french frank View Post
        No

        What about that little ditty in the Emperor string quartet, Op 76/3 (2nd movt)?


        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3Zs24NJgfI

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        • Mandryka

          #5
          Originally posted by french frank View Post
          No

          What about that little ditty in the Emperor string quartet, Op 76/3 (2nd movt)?
          Would that be the one that became the German national anthem? If so, I'm familiar with it, though I can't claim even that is all that memorable.....it sticks in the mind because of its associations, I'd say, and because you hear it so often.

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          • Mandryka

            #6
            Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
            Ah, I see! Thanks for the link.

            I seem to recall Noel Annan choosing this on DID many years ago.

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            • EdgeleyRob
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              • Nov 2010
              • 12180

              #7
              Originally posted by Mandryka View Post
              I can't think of a single memorable melody that J.H. ever wrote
              I guarantee you wont be able to get these tunes out of your head for days



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              • gurnemanz
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 7469

                #8
                ..and of course he wrote "Two Lovely Black Eyes"

                Spring flowers in my garden set to a chorus from The Seasons by Joseph Haydn,

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                • perfect wagnerite

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Mandryka View Post
                  I can't think of a single memorable melody that J.H. ever wrote, though I've heard all his London symphonies, as well as the 'named' symphonies.
                  Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

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                  • LMcD
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                    • Sep 2017
                    • 8913

                    #10
                    Only now - well into my 8th decade - am I starting to appreciate just how life-affirming Haydn's music can be. Better late than never, I suppose.

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                    • LMcD
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                      • Sep 2017
                      • 8913

                      #11
                      For people who - like me - quite like that sort of thing , the final item on today's 'Breakfast' was the last movement of Symphony No. 104 in which the celebrated conductor Sir Colin Davis conducted the equally celebrated Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra of Amsterdam - a youthful, joyous performance guaranteed to set me up for the day!

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                      • cloughie
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                        • Dec 2011
                        • 22267

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Mandryka View Post
                        To my ears, Haydn's music, although far from unpleasant, has always seemed overcerebral: it fails to enage my emotions.

                        Haydn afficionados tell me that this is quite in order: Haydn appeals to one's 'sense of form' (whatever that is) and intellect. I have also been told (rather peevishly, on an old BAL) that Haydn 'will never appeal to the intellectually lazy'.
                        I can't think of a single memorable melody that J.H. ever wrote, though I've heard all his London symphonies, as well as the 'named' symphonies.

                        Would it be fair to say that Haydn is easier to admire than he is to love?

                        I fear, even more than Mozart, he is another composer I am fated never to 'get'.
                        Well that was almost 10 years ago moving the ‘Clock’ forward it would be a ‘Surprise’ if you could still claim this!

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                        • AuntDaisy
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                          • Jun 2018
                          • 1912

                          #13
                          Originally posted by french frank View Post
                          What about that little ditty in the Emperor string quartet, Op 76/3 (2nd movt)?
                          Is that "German German Overalls" as Michael Flanders so eloquently puts it?

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                          • EnemyoftheStoat
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 1144

                            #14
                            Originally posted by AuntDaisy View Post
                            Is that "German German Overalls" as Michael Flanders so eloquently puts it?
                            As few football commentators ever said: "Germany are all over the place".

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                            • Richard Barrett
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                              • Jan 2016
                              • 6259

                              #15
                              Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                              Well that was almost 10 years ago moving the ‘Clock’ forward it would be a ‘Surprise’ if you could still claim this!
                              Bear in mind that the Mandryka who started this thread isn't the Mandryka who is a current contributor!

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