Ravel, Maurice (1875 – 1937)

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  • jayne lee wilson
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    • Jul 2011
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    #16
    Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
    You haven't spent glorious hours with the Monteux, Nezet-Séguin or Xavier-Roth??????!!!!!!
    ...operative phrase "and others..."...

    I found myself out-of-step with the world's acclaim for the Xavier-Roth Daphnis, and always preferred Munch to Monteux........
    There was something unpredictably special about the Tonhalle/Bringuier set......the very sound of it, and - something in the way she moves, attracts me like no other lover....

    But after it, I felt I needed to let the rep rest for a while, or a world, or maybe two...

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    • gradus
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      • Nov 2010
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      #17
      Glad that Monteux gets a mention as I fished out his sixties LSO recording of Mother Goose to listen to yesterday, in my ears unsurpassed. The way they played for him was magical.

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      • vinteuil
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        • Nov 2010
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        #18
        Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
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        I found myself out-of-step with the world's acclaim for the Xavier-Roth Daphnis, ...
        ... as Richard Barrett has noted, it's M. Roth - François-Xavier is his christian name.


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        • Beef Oven!
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          • Sep 2013
          • 18147

          #19
          Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
          ... as Richard Barrett has noted, it's M. Roth - François-Xavier is his christian name.


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          I always got those double-barrelled names mixed up. I blame my working class background. Good job we've to RB to sort our Henzes and Roths out!

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          • vinteuil
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            • Nov 2010
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            #20
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            • Beef Oven!
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              • Sep 2013
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              #21
              Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
              I found myself out-of-step with the world's acclaim for the Xavier-Roth Daphnis, and always preferred Munch to Monteux........
              I don't think the world acclaimed the Xavier Roth, the different approach wrong-footed lots of listeners.

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              • Beef Oven!
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                • Sep 2013
                • 18147

                #22
                So why the hyphen? Is M.Roth trying to make himself appear more of a nob?

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                • vinteuil
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                  • Nov 2010
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                  #23
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                  ... it's a French thing

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                  • richardfinegold
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                    • Sep 2012
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                    #24
                    Fwiw, my favorites don’t seem to have been recorded earlier than the early 1960s, all French Conductors-Monteux, Munch, Paray & Martinon, with Paray consistently getting the nod. The Detroit SO wasn’t a great Central European repertoire Orchestra but their light yet precise string tone, slightly nasal brass and characterful winds made them a better French Orchestra than their bigger name competitors, and Paray was no dawdler on the podium. He and Munch both had a firm grasp of the structure and wouldn’t get lost in the sensuality, as Monteux and many later Conductors (HvK, Solti, Bernstein, etc.) could

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                    • jayne lee wilson
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                      • Jul 2011
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                      I don't think the world acclaimed the Xavier Roth, the different approach wrong-footed lots of listeners.
                      Gramophone Orchestral Award Winner, 2018....
                      I bought it as a 24/96 download, really tried to love it, really.....I wasn't ​wrong-footed by it, though I wondered if Dorcon was....

                      At Dawn, I went back to my future - and returned to the Bringuier Tombeau de Couperin...
                      Just heavenly music-making, and gorgeous classic-Tonhalle 24/96 sound.....
                      Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 24-12-18, 14:52.

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                      • cloughie
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                        • Dec 2011
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                        One of my top 5 or 6 composers. Nothing by him I don't like, lots that vies for a place on the desert island.
                        I think he could be my top one. Don’t like Bolero, but every composer has his ‘wild card’. Daphnis & Chloe is superb, Mother Goose is superb, Sonatine is sublime. Sheherazade is both superb and sublime. Choosing the best versions of any Ravel work is so difficult as any conductor, soloist or music ensemble treats them with such respect and love that there are not very many substandard performances and recordings. Maurice le magnifique!

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                        • Lat-Literal
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                          • Aug 2015
                          • 6983

                          #27
                          This thread is going very well.

                          My thanks to all contributors so far.

                          Is there a space for Martha Argerich here or is she considered by forum members to be stronger in respect of other composers?

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                          • Bryn
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                            • Mar 2007
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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Lat-Literal View Post
                            This thread is going very well.

                            My thanks to all contributors so far.

                            Is there a space for Martha Argerich here or is she considered by forum members to be stronger in respect of other composers?
                            Her Concerto in G is good, but I have not heard her Gaspard, and that seems to be about it, apart from the Sonatine and Valses.

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                            • antongould
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                              • Nov 2010
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                              #29
                              Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                              I think he could be my top one. Don’t like Bolero, but every composer has his ‘wild card’. Daphnis & Chloe is superb, Mother Goose is superb, Sonatine is sublime. Sheherazade is both superb and sublime. Choosing the best versions of any Ravel work is so difficult as any conductor, soloist or music ensemble treats them with such respect and love that there are not very many substandard performances and recordings. Maurice le magnifique!
                              Well said cloughers and being a dipstick I like Bolero .......

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                              • Bryn
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                                • Mar 2007
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                                #30
                                Originally posted by antongould View Post
                                Well said cloughers and being a dipstick I like Bolero .......
                                Me an'all.

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